DE_TENEMENT

[csWaldo]

5 hours ago, zastels said:

You're the stupid troll who doesn't understand what theft is. It's not theft because the map is still in the hands of the original creator. 

If you have a banana, and I take your banana and you no longer have a banana, that is theft.

If I copy your banana, you still have a banana, that is not theft. 

I am not a contrarian, repurposing public domain material is completely legal. 

Something being on the internet does not make it public domain. You do not void your copyright by publishing your work.

[Vaya]

5 minutes ago, zastels said:

This is true for a book and a song, not a map. You can't claim Iceworld is held in copyright lmao. Where is the distinction!? If you add another hallway to a map, is it a new map? 

Attribution was given by keeping the maps name the same, so creative commons was not broken. 

You people are not lawyers and thank fucking God for that!

The map is a derivative of the original. Part of my job is data management including copyright. 

 

Also the map's name was changed to DE_tenement. attribution is giving credit to original author and publishing date

Edited March 16, 2019 by Vaya

[Thewhaleman]

Just going to throw this one out there, Valve, a billion dollar company, has been rumoured to cut a map from the first operation because they weren't sure of copyright issues with the map. Crazy right? Almost like they didn't want to take the chance, like the map, even though remade, was so much of a liability, it wasn't worth the chance. Kinda makes you think that you automatically own your ideas even though you post them online. Like almost as the creator you have the power to decide how your work can be distributed, used, and or remixed by others. Also like, you're responsible to defend your own copyright. Makes you go HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...

-Freelance artist that lively hood depends on laws that protect creators.

[Thewhaleman]

Just now, zastels said:

You're not wrong, you're just making the wrong argument. Monetizing a piece of intellectual property is far different than redistributing a piece of IP that has been put into public domain with a creative commons license. 

 

Love the fact you used those three MAGICAL words. Creative Commons License. 

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A Creative Commons (CC) license is one of several public copyright licenses that enable the free distribution of an otherwise copyrighted "work".[note 1] A CC license is used when an author wants to give other people the right to share, use, and build upon a work that he or she (that author) has created.

Creative common licenses are set by the creator, there is no default.

[Vaya]

Christ, you clearly don't understand how CC works @zastels

https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/

 

Under the following terms:

• Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use.

• NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes.

• NoDerivatives — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you may not distribute the modified material.

 

Edited March 16, 2019 by Vaya

[Vaya]

1 minute ago, zastels said:

Appropriate credit was given, the OP indicated changes were made, and a link to the license already exists on FPS Banana which someone already demonstrated they could easily find. 

Nobody who creates a map on Source has the right to declare NoDerivatives. You do not own the map, Valve does. You own the IP. 

 

No this didn't happen at all. Where did op give credit? screenshot please. Where is the link to the licence on the steam workshop entry? it needs to be on the point on acquisition so people always see it and can't step down a licence. You are clueless about how cc works. The person linking to the map was the original creator!

Valve themselves know that they don't own layouts or custom content. They pay us for original product and don't proceed with anything they can't trace and get approval for.

I'm sorry you just don't get any of this at all. And it's very ironic what you are espousing is basically mapping communism.

[Lizard]

6 minutes ago, zastels said:

Appropriate credit was given, the OP indicated changes were made, and a link to the license already exists on FPS Banana which someone already demonstrated they could easily find. 

Nobody who creates a map on Source has the right to declare NoDerivatives. You do not own the map, Valve does. You own the IP. 

 

That's why Valve bought mirage from bubkez right? 

[Thewhaleman]

2 minutes ago, Lizard said:

That's why Valve bought mirage from bubkez right? 

After bubkez had to change it a bunch because CPL strike...right? He might be mistaking redistribution rights with ownership? I think he is out of his depth clawing on any logic to justify a point he doesn't even understand at this point. Mods should just lock this thread. No good is being done.

Edited March 16, 2019 by Thewhaleman

[Lizard]

4 minutes ago, zastels said:

Censorship is for retards, even Gabe Newell stated censorship is stupid. Why would you advocate a thread is locked, maybe it has something to do with your argument being weak?

At the end of the day, a map literally almost every last person on Earth has forgotten about and was never going to be worked on again, it was appreciated by someone, and it was given a new breath of life. Maybe the guy misstepped a little, but some of you are so dumb that you are virtually incapable of realizing that there is an overwhelming amount of love and goodness in the original post, y'all are transfixed on IP laws that you do not understand. 

This reminds me of the old days of Counter-Map, there was a moderator there named Tommy14, I despised this person. He used to ban and remove posts from anyone who uploaded a map in CS 1.6 that contained textures from Condition-Zero. Tommy14 was an incredible idiot who played a major role in the demise of Counter-Map. He had virtually no understanding of IP law, he acted with nothing more than virtue signalling like many of you here. Somehow in his mind, a person taking textures from one Valve project, putting it into another Valve project, and sharing it was a violation of intergalactic IP law. 

Now to this day, it is common practice to do this with all Valve titles. Valve does not give a shit if you take Portal 2 textures and add them to Day of Defeat Source. Valve does not give a shit if you reupload Dust2, add a hallway, and neglect to mention David J. This is why I feel so many people in this thread are stupid, you people are dumb. You people are killing artistic expression with your stupid fucking rabel. You do a total disservice to the world of map making in general when you make a pariah out of someone just starting off, you act like a cancer. 

This thread should not be locked, this is what actual real discussion looks like. There is no "topic" in conversations, topics naturally delineate as they become more interesting. Locking a thread runs as a direct contravention to the basic principles instilled by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms section 2, and well as the first amendment. If you can't handle freedom of speech, then leave Mapcore! This is a place for artists, not marxists looking to control the speech and expression of others. 

I really like how you skipped my argument. 

Also seek some help because with that attitude you will end up like this guy from DOI contest who had a breakdown because of deadline extension.

Edited March 16, 2019 by Lizard

[Lizard]

Just now, zastels said:

A deadline extension for a contest is reprehensible. You cannot understand this because you had everything to gain from the extension lol. You have no integrity. 

Brest was ready few days before the initial deadline. We didnt whine about it and we took the opportunity to improve. Not like others...

[leplubodeslapin]

@zastels Don't you think there is a wide range of cases between "slightly taking inspiration from an art piece" to basically rip off the whole thing ?

I believe what you're saying is true, and that's a good thing that some people can benefit quite a lot from not starting from scratch or find ideas in other maps.

But from what I've understand, the creator of this thread has already just reuploaded 3 maps with no change at all, with no input of art or design from him. This is the main issue here i believe.

Edited March 16, 2019 by leplubodeslapin

[Lizard]

7 minutes ago, zastels said:

Translation:

Contest rules do not matter. 

You make a fair and logical point, you are correct. But part of starting off as being a map maker is not just learning how to map, but understand how to behave and what is and is not appropriate. 

The problem here in mapcore is that there is a total obsession over his missteps, which completely negated the OP from receiving useful information. The guy is character assassinated for committing virtually no measurable amount of harm. It's one thing to throw a .vmf on Ebay that does not belong to you, but to reshare what has already be shared, who cares?! Like I said, do you think Valve cares if you reupload Dust2 and not give David J credit? Lol I don't think so. 

Can you answer why Valve bought mirage ? Or you gonna skip it because you know you said something stupid? 

[Lizard]

2 minutes ago, zastels said:

Shut the fuck up, I did not bring up the mapping contest. Someone else brought to topic up, so I'd like to reiterate that you should shut the fuck up. 

I don't fucking know the answer! Jesus Christ you are fucking stupid! 

I thought you already knew the answer... "You do not own the map, Valve does. You own the IP. "

LMAO

[Vilham]

Zastel, valve bought dust off Dave...

[FrieChamp]

 

28 minutes ago, zastels said:

This is why I feel so many people in this thread are stupid, you people are dumb. You people are killing artistic expression with your stupid fucking rabel. You do a total disservice to the world of map making in general when you make a pariah out of someone just starting off, you act like a cancer. 

This thread should not be locked, this is what actual real discussion looks like. There is no "topic" in conversations, topics naturally delineate as they become more interesting. Locking a thread runs as a direct contravention to the basic principles instilled by the Charter of Rights and Freedoms section 2, and well as the first amendment. If you can't handle freedom of speech, then leave Mapcore! This is a place for artists, not marxists looking to control the speech and expression of others. 

This is not the US. This is MapCore. Locking this thread before it violates MapCore's rules any further:

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1. No personal attacks, discrimination, flaming, hate speech, or offensive slurs.
2. No abuse towards the community or its members.