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5 hours ago, Pampers said:

I'm having problems understanding who is pushing for this?

Presumably people who enjoy watching esports and want to see it get more global recognition. I can't say I was one of the people pushing for it myself, but I have always longed for the day that I can walk in to a pub and watch a CSGO tournament on the screen, so if this helps raise esports' profile I think that's a good thing!

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13 hours ago, HeadClot said:

So it looks like eSport are still in the running for the Olympics but not if they are violent.

http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/esports-may-come-to-the-olympics-but-not-if-theyre-violent-w500765 

That's the same news I posted in the opening of the topic, just from a different news outlet.

And no they are not in the running, by a far mile, just read the official press release: https://www.olympic.org/news/communique-of-the-olympic-summit

To be admitted to the Olympics you need to comply to the Olympics values, but most importantly you have to be an organised sport that means you have a global association the Olympics Committee can talk to. And this organisation needs to provide guarantees on matters like doping and gambling... the last bit alone can tell you how far we are to have the games we actually would want it the Olympics: there is a big push to regulate loot boxes under gambling laws, the debate is very open so I don't see how you can get a shooter in the Olympics, even if modded to be non-violent*, when they feature built-in "gambling" solutions. Also remember there were scandals regarding gambling/trading.

*I don't think that a paintball mod will make things easier as you still shoot another person, and in today's situation that seems wrong.

Also just days ago a CSGO player threatened the life of another at the most recent tournament... and he's allowed to participate in the next major tournament by switching to a new team. How's that good for sports values.

All this stuff screams disorganisation and shows there are no bases to see any time soon games at the Olympics.

Even if it was possible to get non-violent games in like say FIFA, I would argue why bother. Yes of course why when the football competition is happening with real players, but most importantly I don't think games with AI playing a part in the outcome of the game should be competitive at all. In this regard straight up shooters like CS or COD are much more suited because it's really player vs player and results are uncontestable.

In terms of who wants them in @text_fish that's a good question. I believe the committee itself simply took note of the giant following that there is now for e sports and they want to capitalise. I mean make money off of it.

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18 minutes ago, blackdog said:

That's the same news I posted in the opening of the topic, just from a different news outlet.

And no they are not in the running, by a far mile.

To be admitted to the Olympics you need to comply to the Olympics values, but most importantly you have to be an organised sport that means you have a global association the Olympics Committee can talk to. And this organisation needs to provide guarantees on matters like doping and gambling... the last bit alone can tell you how far we are to have the games we actually would want it the Olympics: there is a big push to regulate loot boxes under gambling laws, the debate is very open so I don't see how you can get a shooter in the Olympics, even if modded to be non-violent*, when they feature built-in "gambling" solutions. Also remember there were scandals regarding gambling/trading.

*I don't think that a paintball mod will make things easier as you still shoot another person, and in today's situation that seems wrong.

Also just days ago a CSGO player threatened the life of another at the most recent tournament... and he's allowed to participate in the next major tournament by switching to a new team. How's that good for sports values.

All this stuff screams disorganisation and shows there are no bases to see any time soon games at the Olympics.

Even if it was possible to get non-violent games in like say FIFA, I would argue why bother. Yes of course why when the football competition is happening with real players, but most importantly I don't think games with AI playing a part in the outcome of the game should be competitive at all. In this regard straight up shooters like CS or COD are much more suited because it's really player vs player and results are uncontestable.

In terms of who wants them in @text_fish that's a good question. I believe the committee itself simply took note of the giant following that there is now for e sports and they want to capitalise. I mean make money off of it.

There is an e sport organization in France at least, maybe that'll be enough to start something in the right direction.

To be fair, the kng situation has many equivalents in sports features in the Olympic games. That type of situation is basically up to the fact that there is a lot of money involved. There have been occurrences of NBA players convicted for conjugal violence, sexual assault etc. There are games in basketball, football, etc where players hit each other on the playing field. (We all remember in France the occurrence of the head stroke during an international football competition in 2006 if I remember right, or the Ron Artest incident in NBA). There has been gambling in handball from many of the French team in their own handball club with something similar to the ibuypower situation, and the response from Valve was more radical than what happened to those guys who were just fined.

Oh and let's not forget the violence of trainers regarding athletes sometimes. That was the reason I quit professional prospects in sports  a few years back.

I'm all for more equality and respect in e sports, but many of its flawscannot be used against them at the Olympics without a tint of irony and hypocrisy on the Olympics deciders part.

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I don't understand what private matters and civil lawsuit spurred from family or off-the-court situations have to do with this?

Of course they get arrested etc that has nothing to do with the sport organisation.

Athletes attacking other players on the field face consequences, kng can take his rights to play elsewhere.

Of course if you look long and hard you can find ipocrocy, that is an everyday thing. I'm not saying the Olympics behold The Truth, just explained why I don't think there can be eSport in the event soon enough.

BTW this also should bring attention to the fact that a millennial game like Chess is not an Olympics discipline. Shouldn't they allow this in first? There is a Chess organisation that is part of the committee - so they recognise Chess as a sport (from what I understand) but then in countries like UK it is not recognised as a sport.

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It has been announces today that Intel, official partner of the Olympics commitee will organize an esport event called the Intel Extreme Masters of PeyongChang organized by ESL. It has been officially said that it will be a prelude to the OG 2018 in PyeongChang. 

Timo Lumme, Tv services & marketing director of the Olympic commitee said that "After the olympic summit last week, the commitee is starting to explore futur links between electronic sports and the olympic spirit. This is a first step that will transform the futur of sports, and we can't wait to attend to this event."

I am happy to say that it has also been announced that there will be two games at this event: Starcraft 2, that brought South Corean at the top of esport countries; and the project we worked on at Ubisoft Annecy during the past few months, Steep: Road to the Olympics at it's a licensed for for these Olympics Events. 

 

So seriously guys, don't be grumpy. It is a first step toward what we want. We know it will take time. It doesn't matter that they don't want violent game. That will whange. Let them welcome games into the Olympics whether it be Steep, Clash Royale or whatever. It's already a big deal. It means massive audience for games. We will bring competitive action games to those events but it will take time. For now, they probably still want to figure how to bring games for everyone and, by everyone I mean adults and their children and you know that games are still a problem for lots of people. Again, it's will be slow but let's be happy of these first steps. 

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40 minutes ago, blackdog said:

I don't understand what private matters and civil lawsuit spurred from family or off-the-court situations have to do with this?

Of course they get arrested etc that has nothing to do with the sport organisation.

Athletes attacking other players on the field face consequences, kng can take his rights to play elsewhere.

Of course if you look long and hard you can find ipocrocy, that is an everyday thing. I'm not saying the Olympics behold The Truth, just explained why I don't think there can be eSport in the event soon enough.

BTW this also should bring attention to the fact that a millennial game like Chess is not an Olympics discipline. Shouldn't they allow this in first? There is a Chess organisation that is part of the committee - so they recognise Chess as a sport (from what I understand) but then in countries like UK it is not recognised as a sport.

Well you could argue that the kng incident was private then since it wasn't during the match though... so private stuff matters from an ethical standpoint.

They face consequences sometimes, not all the time, and they are allowed to play anyway. For the fifa world cup example, the suspension was only for international games, he could still play in his club anyway.

Well it would happen in 2024 anyway, so it makes sense to think about it now to make the necessary debate beforehand.

(since when the uk agrees with the rest of the world anyway.? :P )

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2 hours ago, laminutederire said:

Well you could argue that the kng incident was private then since it wasn't during the match though... so private stuff matters from an ethical standpoint.

(since when the uk agrees with the rest of the world anyway.? :P )

I understand what you mean but seems you are mixing things a bit; also I'm not sure/not confident regarding the examples you mentioned.

AFAIK Ron Artest had several fights, but on court. You mention sexual violence, but I've never heard of people suspended from games for that, and I can't even come up with examples of such cases. I know Kobe Bryant was accused of rape, there was a trial, and I don't remember ever hearing he was suspended... ever for what matters.

Of course ethics are important and there's stuff that is directly linkable to the sports scene and I can see sanctioned even if happened off court (eg: Michael Jordan doing betting on golf matches => concerns he would do the same for his games; Gilbert Arenas bringing a gun in the lockers; kng threatening a direct opponent) and stuff that is totally extraneous like a sex offence... that doesn't impact the sport image, just the team and can easily be seen as a good reason for termination, because you don't want to be associated with that person, but the sport federation shouldn't have any/much say on that.

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4 hours ago, blackdog said:

I understand what you mean but seems you are mixing things a bit; also I'm not sure/not confident regarding the examples you mentioned.

AFAIK Ron Artest had several fights, but on court. You mention sexual violence, but I've never heard of people suspended from games for that, and I can't even come up with examples of such cases. I know Kobe Bryant was accused of rape, there was a trial, and I don't remember ever hearing he was suspended... ever for what matters.

Of course ethics are important and there's stuff that is directly linkable to the sports scene and I can see sanctioned even if happened off court (eg: Michael Jordan doing betting on golf matches => concerns he would do the same for his games; Gilbert Arenas bringing a gun in the lockers; kng threatening a direct opponent) and stuff that is totally extraneous like a sex offence... that doesn't impact the sport image, just the team and can easily be seen as a good reason for termination, because you don't want to be associated with that person, but the sport federation shouldn't have any/much say on that.

There was tiger woods as well, he could still play anyway. Same for Kobe (I think he wasn't convicted as guilty? I'd have to check). That was my point. Unethical behaviors aren't punished in regular sports, so they cannot say e sports aren't suitable because of ethics.

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No they aren’t @laminutederire, I just said that it doesn’t make it easier to have this kind of discussion, if one end says you need to be non-violent and “the following day” an athelete threatens another ;) 

(Kobe wasn’t found guilty but then was like re-trialled –thought you couldn’t be trialled twice for the same case in US– and settled out of court, saying sorry but not admitting guilt, according to wiki)

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