POTUS 2016

[D3ads]

I'm sorry you feel that way blackdog, but talking about stopping illegal immigration is not the same as wanting to sink the boats of refugees and migrants, that's what I mean, obviously I condemn such thinking which is absolutely blatently racist!

Vorontsov: Yes, that's correct..

Jetsetlemming: Yeah as I said, it's badly thought out, obviously NAFTA is one of the things that Trump went on about to death during the campaign. It's hard to see how it can be dealth with and how the South American countries can be fixed, El Salvador and Honduras are especially notrious for being two of the most problematic hispanic countries with people fleeing daily violence but they've long been like that.

Anyway, I think that this outcome although not the best means that we can have a discussion about this and the problems of the liberal left vs others, If Hillary had won, we wouldn't be having any real discussion about it. Democrats need to stop giving labels to everyone who doesn't agree with them, actual racists don't care if you call them racist whereas those that aren't become offended and distance themselves from anyone labelling them as such creating a greater divide. The DNC was asleep at the wheel, comfortable with their thoughts that the Republican party would never get back into the White house and become a party that holds limited power in mostly the Southern States.. big mistake.

I'm hearing news about certain people sending death threats to State governors if they don't vote for Hillary in the Electoral College vote, they're increasing now that Clinton has reached a 2 million margin in the popular vote, not helpful in the slightest...

 

 

[laminutederire]

Damn that was fast, the gut who never settles settled for 25 million, said he wouldn't pursue Clinton with investigations, and he continues his childish behavior with a Broadway show and tries a way to attack verbally CNN and CBS...

Doesn't that feel like a good old hangover like for the way UK is going down in flames with their bills destroying Internet privacy and still not leaving the EU? Am I the only one seeing a pattern? 

[Bastion]

Jill Stein has been trending tonight, she's trying to raise 2.5 million us dollars in order to get a vote recount after apparent reports of electronic voting booths being manipulated somehow.

I need to find more sources on the voter manipulation rumour to see if it has any weight. Will chalk it up to probably fake news for now. Only important thing to note out of it is that the states that Stein wants a recount on were major swing states, couple of which had a democrat leaning history.

 

Still, even if in the weirdest change of events where the recount shuts down Trump. The democratic party still needs to never forget why we've been losing public support. Probably the biggest part of that lesson is that while it's great to campaign for equal rights for minorities and LGBT, don't leave everyone else behind in that rush.

[D3ads]

Here we fucking go again! Basically a group of "academics and activists" who are totally not all Clinton supporters are claiming that there is a possiblity that a foreign power like Russia could have hacked the election computer systems, however they admit it is literally a "suspicion" and there is no actual proof available (what a surprise..). Of course now the DNC are going to be saying that once again, Russia is behind their election defeat instead of facing the reality that they lost because Hillary was just shit. Even James Clapper the former director of National Intelligence who resigned the other day said "intelligence agencies don't have good insight on when or how Wikileaks obtained the hacked emails" ! Nevertheless, Jill Stein is now attempting to raise funds from a crowdfunding page to recount the votes for PA, MI and WI because by default the results can only be contested if the margin in the elecoral college for each state is small (less than 0.5%).

Can I just remind everyone that the DNC rigged the primaries against Bernie to make sure that Hillary would be the nominee, now they want a recount because it *might" have been rigged? You can't make this stuff up!

 "Anybody not willing to accept the results of an election is a danger to democracy” - Hillary Clinton 2016  

[Bastion]

I'm just posting what I've seen.

Holy shit.

[D3ads]

16 minutes ago, Bastion said:

I'm just posting what I've seen.

Holy shit.

I wasn't having a go at you buddy, just ranting about how much more of a clusterfuck this election continues to be!

[Jetsetlemming]

11 hours ago, Bastion said:

Still, even if in the weirdest change of events where the recount shuts down Trump. The democratic party still needs to never forget why we've been losing public support. Probably the biggest part of that lesson is that while it's great to campaign for equal rights for minorities and LGBT, don't leave everyone else behind in that rush.

They haven't even done that. There's been a bunch of disgusting bullshit from rich white democrats basically saying "Ugh, I can't believe I pretended to support you fags!" and blaming marginalized people for the loss, instead of the DNC and Clinton campaign shitting the bed. They apparently had this "algorithm" telling them where and how to spend money to best win the election, and it was telling them to do shit like "Completely ignore the state of Wisconsin, and instead put all your time into courting moderate Republicans in already "blue" states". They won rich Republican strongholds in Democratic controlled states for the first time since the 80s, like Orange County, CA, Stanton Island, NYC, Fairfax, VA, etc, but CA, NY, and VA all were Democratic states ANYWAY, and electoral college votes are distributed "winner take all". Getting 60% of a state gets you nothing extra over 50% +1 of a state. 

Meanwhile, they assumed everyone who typically votes for them would, which was an incredibly stupid assumption, as seven million people who showed up to vote for Obama in the last two elections stayed home this year, and we had the lowest overall voter turnout in 20 years. Trump got basically the same number of votes as Mitt Romney did in 2012. The Clinton campaign just completely lost their base, chasing after shitty suburban white people. And now, a bunch of assholes are in the media claiming the loss was because poor white people are racist and hate gay and trans people. That might be true, but also poor white people (just like everyone of every group below median income in the US) still voted more for Clinton anyway. It was middle class suburban white people who voted for Trump, in the right places to give him the lion's share of the "electoral votes" of this stupid system set up originally to let slave owners vote on behalf of their slaves (seriously).

Also, our voting machines are extremely vulnerable. It's been proven for over a decade people could just hack our elections, from multiple researchers, and we haven't done anything about it, because anyone who suggests the possibility is shouted down as a wackjob. Paper ballots would mean cable news couldn't have election night results, because counting would take longer! Buying new machines would cost money! Our media narrative, just like our system, is fucking stupid at every level.

While Trump is a terrible existential threat to almost everyone I know (literally, not figuratively like for rich assholes writing op-eds in the New York Times, we're actually dependent on things like government health care and the cops preventing instead of encouraging pogroms), I kinda would rather he not have this yanked out from under him. The public reaction amongst his supporters (<20% of the country, but enough to fuck shit up) would be extremely violent, and for the rest of the people the relief at avoiding Trump would make them less likely to fight Clinton than if she'd just won outright in the first place.

Edited November 24, 2016 by Jetsetlemming

[Bastion]

Quick update on the Jill Stein situation (for context if you don't know, she is trying to raise funds for recounts in specific battleground states)

She has raised enough funds for at least one state and it seems the state that will be chosen is Wisconsin. Which had a tight poll result of only a 1% difference. However the state has only 10 electoral votes to it's name, not enough to swing the election in Clinton's favour, but if the recount is in favour of Hillary, expect a upset on both sides.

[KoKo5oVaR]

Can we get a revote on the treaty of rome while we're at it please

[dux]

If Clinton won no one would be pushing so hard for a recount. Stop bitching and suck it up. Democracy happened.

[Jetsetlemming]

1 hour ago, dux said:

If Clinton won no one would be pushing so hard for a recount. Stop bitching and suck it up. Democracy happened.

Lol no matter what your opinion on the players, there's no way you can call the game "democracy".

[Vorontsov]

If the electoral dudes somehow flip their votes there will be a civil war. As far as I'm concerned they're pushing "electric voting machines hacked - the work of RUSSIAN HACKERS", but Michigan uses paper ballots, what excuse could they find there?

"Oh it turns out we just found millions of paper votes cast to Hillary Clinton - all bundled up in an empty warehouse!"

[Bastion]

It's not the first time Stein has been behind a recount, she had one done back in 2004's election as well with no change in the end result. This one could well be no different.

2 hours ago, dux said:

If Clinton won no one would be pushing so hard for a recount. Stop bitching and suck it up. Democracy happened.

Fair on the first point sure, but I'm not sure if I would consider democracy to have properly happened if a important number of votes were missed, and just potentially ignored with a 'fuck you got mine' attitude from the winners.

edit: scratch the first part of that argument as well actually, bit hard for me to agree after remembering that Trump was not going to accept the vote if he lost anyway, at least that's what he has said leading up to the election day.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Bastion

[D3ads]

Hahaha, Jill is laughing all the way to the bank!

It looks like she's basically getting funding together for her next campaign! Her site has supposed volunteer names for the state recounts in each county listed, many names are obviously just trolls such as "Sit on my face" "Mickey Mouse" "Vladimir Putin" "Hillary for Prison"

Anyhow, Hillary's lawyers have apparently endorsed recounts in the 3 states Stein proposed. However, in order to somehow become president she has to pretty much win all the states, which is possible but very very unlikely if you look at the figures. Michigan has already done another recount and Trump's lead narrowed from 13,107 to 10,704 votes ahead, but he still carries the state. In pennsylvania he is currently ahead by 70,000 votes, in Wisconsin it's 22,000 votes. Unless all those votes are somehow invalidated, she still can't win...

[Evert]

On 11/3/2016 at 0:16 AM, D3ads said:

Ok last time we tried this, it got too political and bitchy so let's keep it humourous and newsworthy this time, no fighting!

Lmao