EU Referendum

[KoKo5oVaR]

Maybe that's a british specificity, but I'm kind of amazed how the "leave" vote intentions are simplified and all thrown up in the bag of immigration, populism and nationalism.

In my mind an European community is a good thing, but it shouldn't be forgotten it's an institution with a politicial orientation and interests. It exist more than just one political project for europe than the one actually in place. So i find all the moralizing tone very weird and actually it scares me a bit.

Maybe there are people in england who voted against the liberal political direction the europe of jean claude juncker is taking ? I voted no in 2004 to the french referendum over the treaty of rome, and if this kind of referendum appear in France, i would probably vote leave for this reason.

[Vaya]

20 minutes ago, Rick_D said:

hey lads. fuck leave voters

i would write a big long post about why everything is shit and all arguments in favour of it are retarded but it wouldn't change anybody's mind, let's just hope england and wales break off and fall into the sea.

sure some good people will drown but at least those dirty immigrant foreigners will drown as well eh!

sieg heil!!!

 

yeah but what about the bend in our bananas

[Vorontsov]

if u disagree with me ur le nazi  xDD

[Lizard]

On 27.06.2016 at 6:09 PM, Bastion said:

Did not help that the vote was happening during the most stressful few weeks for students in the UK.

This is not a reason not to vote. If you don't vote how come you bitch around about results? This is a thing with democracy and it's the same for every single community. Looking for excuses everywhere.

 

And for all the guys saying "fuck you all" , "retards" etc. You are putting this thread next to gorillas throwing their own shit at each other in zoo. Very disrespectful.

[Bastion]

11 minutes ago, LizardPL said:

This is not a reason not to vote. If you don't vote how come you bitch around about results? This is a thing with democracy and it's the same for every single community. Looking for excuses everywhere.

 

And for all the guys saying "fuck you all" , "retards" etc. You are putting this thread next to gorillas throwing their own shit at each other in zoo. Very disrespectful.

Did not say it was not a reason to vote, I'm saying that it most likely had an effect on the total number of people in that age group that did vote

(and yes I voted)

[Vorontsov]

That's it. Trump is finally stumped. I am now #mentallyhill. On a more serious note, I love how Brexit is somehow about left vs right, immigrants and the education of the voting blocks =))

[Vaya]

47 minutes ago, Vorontsov said:

That's it. Trump is finally stumped. I am now #mentallyhill. On a more serious note, I love how Brexit is somehow about left vs right, immigrants and the education of the voting blocks =))

 

The leave vote was driven by old media (newpapers, telegrams, smoke signals etc)

[blackdog]

10 hours ago, KoKo5oVaR said:

Maybe that's a british specificity, but I'm kind of amazed how the "leave" vote intentions are simplified and all thrown up in the bag of immigration, populism and nationalism.

No it's the same in Italy. Couple parties became relevant from the 90s onwards with a constant campaign for separating northern Italy from the rest.

In there there's people like Borghezio, you might have heard about him for racist speeches in the EU parliament, he was also caught on camera "teaching" racism to can't remember if French or Germans on a train.

Sure there are other reasons one can find logical for "leaving", but Its not a simplification: these are main points in the political discussion of certain parties.

Ps: none of these rules are respected by British people, so after brexit there can only be the forecasted catastrophe of this video 

Edited June 30, 2016 by blackdog

[jackophant]

I wanted to write some rant about how politicians making power plays and serving a shotgun referendum has fucked us, but as rick said, it won't change anything.

I'll just post this:

 

[laminutederire]

Funny thing is that now the UK doesn't seem to want to leave anymore but the EU is preparing the leave...

Troubling times ahead if the EU tries to kick UK out because of this...

[Bastion]

3 minutes ago, laminutederire said:

Funny thing is that now the UK doesn't seem to want to leave anymore but the EU is preparing the leave...

Troubling times ahead if the EU tries to kick UK out because of this...

From what I've been reading so far, if the UK leaves then there will still be the single market and free movement, which means the immigration policy leave campaign used for one of their selling points will be redundant.

It honestly just seems like the UK will be the same except more xenophobic than before. With Scotland likely ditching the UK as they desired to remain by a majority vote

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Also Boris Johnson is ditching the PM race, which normally I'd be glad with because he is a terrible person, but the other people running for the role, makes me cringe. I believe May wants to completely redo basic human rights in the UK, as stupid as it sounds. And for the others, one is war hungry, another is a racist and another damaged the education system in England.

[laminutederire]

20 minutes ago, Bastion said:

 

You mean the immigration problem will be more prominent ? 

As I see it, the best protection UK has is the huge work France is doing at the costs of millions in Calais. If the UK leaves, we won't waste as much money and we'll let the UK deal with it, which will end up being costly.

I don't really think Cameron will ever leave his position. It's due October  (right ?) And I don't think the leave camp will survive the summer... especially since the EU won't leave any privileges to the UK, we simply can't afford it.

[FrieChamp]

I was going to say: After Boris Johnson's dropout I'm starting to believe I don't need to worry about the wait for the new GoT season. British politics will help me pass the time just fine...But this is reality and many people's lives will be affected by this mess. Disgusting.

[Sprony]

On 6/29/2016 at 9:00 PM, Sprony said:

I did a little clean up here since a banned user decided to come back under a different account. Thanks for indirectly pointing that out @Vaya. Plus, someone else thought it was 'funny' to propose a hypothetical civil war. Let's stay on topic and keep it civilized. 

Since people apparently didn't understand the above and other people have nothing better to do than to make new accounts and continue, I've locked this thread and hidden the last few replies. Yes, censorship is frowned upon but this has gotten way off track. A small group of like minded people keep derailing these political oriented discussions with insults, hate speech and ignorance. It's sad that, especially in this forum, we can't have a mature discussion due to these certain individuals.

We used to have a political forum that got closed down due to similar reasons. We are a design community so we're going to stick to that. Feel free to have mature discussions regarding other stuff, but any derailing as mentioned above will quickly be dealt with including consequences for those involved. 

[FMPONE]

Yeah, for the time being no political stuff on Mapcore. The reality is, it seems people have a hard time handling it in a mature way. Any kind of personal attack is unacceptable here and won't be tolerated, so this seems like the simplest route to get to that point.