The latest High-school massacre

[RD]

That's might be correct, but it's still naive as the underlying problems are far greater. There will always be troubled families as long as there is injustice, poverty and whatnot. That's what people should be focusing on.

Nevertheless, violence is a fact of life and strongly correlated with a person's economical and social status. A weapon can be your fist, a rock, a knife, a pistol, a rifle, etc. The easier is its to obtain a weapon of greater power the greater the incentive to use it. The easier it becomes, the greater the temptation. The greater the weapons, the greater the damage, the greater the power a person can have. What if you could buy trip mines or hand grenades from a store? Would people use them?

Just look at places such as Colombia. Poverty, injustice and easy accessibility to guns.

Removing guns wouldn't eliminate the underlying problems. Nevertheless it would minimize the consequences, while the actual problems would be worked on.

Quoted for troof. I think Stratty is the only one who understands this complex issue

No matter which way you look at it, the root of the problem is screwed up people, and until these people are unfucked they're going to be causing problems. Its the same thing with Bin Laden and terrorism. People think killing Bin Laden will end terrorism forever, but terrorism is a mentality and "lifestyle", not a person.

LOLZ I doubt anyone believes killing OBL ends terrorism

[Kosmo]

What I don't understand here is that there are alot of people who are blaming videogame violence, then there are those who say "it's not videogame violence it's gun control laws" but the thing most of you don't see that after this all about 90% of the people are just blaming things, wether it is gun laws, videogames, bad parenting, bullies and the list goes on. It is a defence mechanism, you blame my videogames I blame your laws, they blame our laws I blame your bad parenting and so on, this most likely comes to an end the circular motion which propably went on in the mind of most of those kids who did the killings. You add all these supposed accusations and you get a step closer to truth, but is the truth something we are looking for? We just want to present our own opinion which is to blame something.

At the end we might not be pointing fingers at eachother, we might as well be pointing our fingers to the real problem, but we don't see it because we are too busy looking at the tip of our fingers.

[D3adlode]

Tis the way of the media sadly, anything for a story...

[twiz]

hmmm.

The blame might be on the parents and classmates for lack of support/teasing/etc, but there is no way anyone is going to 'fix' any of that. There will always be teasing in school, there will always be shitty parents. There will always be psychopath kids who can't handle this stuff.

As hard as it is for me to say, outlawing firearms is the only logical way to reduce the damages of said psychopaths.

But we've forgotten something important - There is a weapon far more dangerous than a gun that is also far easier to get. Remember, you have to be 21 to buy a gun, highschoolers aren't 21. Granted their parents might have one, but not everyone's parents have a gun, nevermind the freakin arsenals that many of these highschool rampagers go in with.

Bombs. There is no way to outlaw bombs, since they can be very easily constructed out of some basic household materials. Put a few pipe bombs in a classroom full of kids... The damages would be far worse than a gun. A pistol only holds at most 20 shots. A pipe bomb can be covered in nails and filled with ball bearings. Far more horrific damage than a gun.

Remember the psychos at Columbine planted several bombs around the school.. thank God they didn't set them off.

If these kids are crazy enough to march into school with guns, I have no doubt that they'd spend a few hours the day before building a bomb or two if they couldn't get a gun.

[user]

He then blasted his way though the metal detector at the entrance, killing the security guard.

- A lot of good security guards and metal detectors do! (Great, now they're going to have army personel at each entrance, like they do at airport terminals.)

[RD]

hmmm.

But we've forgotten something important - There is a weapon far more dangerous than a gun that is also far easier to get. Bombs.

Evrything can be used as weapon. U could kill hundreds with ur pencil, or burn half california with ur lighter. U could also elect president Bush

[Kedhrin]

i'm schizophrenic

so i know what its like to be in a homicidal state of mind and it is not pretty, your parents can have all the lecutres in the world my mom did an excellent job, no one ever picked on me and i was never felt left out yet i STILL felt homicidal and had a hatred for people.

now, i know i shouldn't access a gun, and i'm diagnosed schizophrenic so i cannot buy one if i tried (luckily gun laws are at least that good).

i don't want to ever hold a gun because i don't know if i would be able to handle myself.

its just something that you can't pin point the cause on, at all.

its not hte parents, the parents could've talked and raised good like the colombine kids parent's did.

it will always remain squarely on the person and how their luck of chance they perceived the world in a horrible way where they would want to kill someone.

period.

[Taylor Swift]

too much of global ops and counter-strike maybye..?

[Lee3dee]

Ok, so he had a black trench coat, and was a goth kid, liked nazi's and talked about shooting up the school, and no one mentioned anything to the teachers/parents/police......These days, if someone even mentions the word Terrorist, or Bomb on a plane, you are arrested on the spot!. Same should be true for in schools.

I was surprised that amongst all the text in the article there wasn't a mention of a video game such as "Grand theft......" Having gone to high school in England first and the again in the US, I can say the days of people bringing pot or alcohol to school are over, now its metal detectors to detect weapons

[Kosmo]

What most of you are obviously forgetting is that USA is not the only place this happens, granted it is the place where they happen almost yearly BUT they happen here in europe too, where we have pretty strict gun laws, not a single gun in sight for miles, but these kids still get guns and run rampart in schools.

But this is where it all goes out of the window, why these things happen in schools? Ok these places are the ones that we spent most of the time when we are young, but there are far less psychopath kids blasting everyone at malls or downtown, these do happen non the less, if you go crazy and think to shoot few people and then shoot yourself why pick up school? Maybe our school system is just plain wrong, it stacks pressure on us when we are most fragile, young age, and our parents are too busy to help us out, but they are not too busy to say a bad thing about your lousy grades. In many countries in asia, kids kill themselfs if they get bad grades because they think they don't have any future, well in a competitive environment like that it can be true, and shame is the worst thing there is in that culture.

There are lot less these kinds of agressions in poor countries where there are very little schools, if you are looking for what I m blaming, it's the western culture and society, "if there can happen a crime, we are all responsible".

So conclusion? Who knows, who the fuck knows. Western civilization is sick and it is showing in our children and we just turn the other cheek, maybe we know that there are not right answeres here, and maybe we know the reasons, we are just powerless in front of our own creation, the society that we created and we set the rules for the game and we didn't point referee, now we have to just play even tho the rules are eating us away. It's a Star Wars reference but I'm going to toss it in just to lighten the mood, but to make you think "the circle is closing".

Peace out.

[RD]

What u are obviously forgetting is that on page2 someone already mentioned this happens in Europe too, that nobody said gunlaws make ppl crazy and that in most poor countries the crime rates are far higher than in our rich countries.

About the only thing u can do about it, is taking guns as far away as possible from these moshlosers. Like u already discovered, schoolshootings and shootings in general happen less frequently in Europe than in the US.

[Kosmo]

in most poor countries the crime rates are far higher than in our rich countries.

Actually that is the opposite, top5 most highesr rated countries by crime are "USA, Germany, UK, France and South Africa" not what you actually say poor countries. Sure when we go down the list we come across countries that have high poverty count, like Chile, Mexico, India and Thailand.

If we look at general murder statistics then the chart show something different, but still countries like Russia, USA and South Africa are on top 10. Still we see good rotting on the "rich"countries (is the definition of rich by amount of rich people or general pool of money that the people in the country has in their disposal).

[-Stratesiz-]

One word: inequality.

[RD]

in most poor countries the crime rates are far higher than in our rich countries.

Actually that is the opposite, top5 most highesr rated countries by crime are "USA, Germany, UK, France and South Africa" not what you actually say poor countries. Sure when we go down the list we come across countries that have high poverty count, like Chile, Mexico, India and Thailand.

If we look at general murder statistics then the chart show something different, but still countries like Russia, USA and South Africa are on top 10. Still we see good rotting on the "rich"countries (is the definition of rich by amount of rich people or general pool of money that the people in the country has in their disposal).

U know ofcourse that they dont keep charts in poor countries, and when killings, rapes, massacres and kidnappings occur there, theyre not called crimes, but war, a crisis or just ignored because its normal there and there is no justice system. South Africa is a safe place compared to half a dozen countries on the same continent, whatever your charts say

[-Stratesiz-]

in most poor countries the crime rates are far higher than in our rich countries.

Actually that is the opposite, top5 most highesr rated countries by crime are "USA, Germany, UK, France and South Africa" not what you actually say poor countries. Sure when we go down the list we come across countries that have high poverty count, like Chile, Mexico, India and Thailand.

If we look at general murder statistics then the chart show something different, but still countries like Russia, USA and South Africa are on top 10. Still we see good rotting on the "rich"countries (is the definition of rich by amount of rich people or general pool of money that the people in the country has in their disposal).

U know ofcourse that they dont keep charts in poor countries, and when killings, rapes, massacres and kidnappings occur there, theyre not called crimes, but war, a crisis or just ignored because its normal there and there is no justice system. South Africa is a safe place compared to half a dozen countries on the same continent, whatever your charts say

True as well~