[WIP] de_change (Big Update 08/18/2015)

y-man · June 20, 2015

Hello MapCore Community,

this is de_change my map for the CS:Go Mapping Contest : de_change in Steam Workshop

Here are some screenshots:

The A Spot

The B Spot

Two picture from mid route:

Terror house on B route:

If you got any feedback, please let me now!

Edited August 18, 2015 by y-man
new overview, picture update

y-man · July 5, 2015

New update live:

A spot is taking shape
New 2D skybox and new global lighting
Minor changes here and there

Two new screens, which illustrate alterations:

A spot:

CT route to A:

laminutederire · July 5, 2015

You should fix your radar, paths are mostly hidden in your radar.

On another note, path are a bit too empty.. add some cover or things like that!

jackophant · July 6, 2015

Perhaps you could upload an image of your overview somewhere? It's hard to judge the map from screenshots of it's detail, but regarding detail, I would say it feels very "GoldSrc" and subsequently you might want to look at some tutorials for detailing.

y-man · July 6, 2015

I added some color features to the radar to highlight paths, underpasses and interior space and put it in the first post. I hope it helps to orientate yourself.

Yeah I know there is not much cover on some paths, I will look into that!

What do you mean exactly by detailing? Things like decals, sutucco and props or more architectural?

laminutederire · July 6, 2015

The radar is way better, it helps a lot for orientation indeed!

Panda · July 8, 2015

I added some color features to the radar to highlight paths, underpasses and interior space and put it in the first post. I hope it helps to orientate yourself.
Yeah I know there is not much cover on some paths, I will look into that!
What do you mean exactly by detailing? Things like decals, sutucco and props or more architectural?

I'm guessing what jack means by detailing is brushwork on buildings and how you use textures in the map to portray the theme of the map.

The main thing I would say that should be improved on your map are the paths. For example. The paths that CTs must take to both bombsites, from looking at the overview, doesnt look interesting. Instead of being straight lines I would make it wider and change some angles. I havent seen it ingame so I'm not sure if it looks different

laminutederire · July 9, 2015

To corroborate what's being told here, I think that @jackophant comment is that textures feel like old counter strike and not new generation cs. Simply find textures more actual and less old-ish. You could find an inspiration in de_season, or maybe closer to what you want to do: New York maps from Will2k, he has well updated his textures for the cs go version compared to his previous version. I think that visually, you can achieve something a lot better without starting detailing too much. I don't know if it is what he wanted to say, but that's what I understood of it, so I hope it'll help.

jackophant · July 9, 2015

the scale 1.6 maps was a lot larger as you moved faster as well, csgo on the whole requires slightly tighter pathways. I also refer to it as GoldSrc, as some of the details are very blocky, specifically the picture with holes in the wall and the rather chunky slab of angled wood.

You've also used a lot of noisy textures in close proximity to each other and looping a lot. Like when someone wears a heavily patterned shirt with heavily patterned shorts, there's too much going on and it looks a mess.

The best example I think you've provided of how things should look is your corridor with the B sign in it and the stack of rubbish next to the sign. Although I would probably change the floor texture, and/or rotate it to follow the hallway, not run diagonally across it.

Guni · July 9, 2015

Some of de_change I would like to see is towards your pathways, they are very narrow and long. I think the map needs to be made a bit smaller. It would be a smart move to also implement some neutral textures (dev) while you work on the layout and size of the map. Seems a little silly to line up all your textures now, just adding extra work to your workload.

Edited July 9, 2015 by Guni

y-man · July 9, 2015

Thank all of you for the impressions!

The main thing I would say that should be improved on your map are the paths. For example. The paths that CTs must take to both bombsites, from looking at the overview, doesnt look interesting. Instead of being straight lines I would make it wider and change some angles. I havent seen it ingame so I'm not sure if it looks different

I'll think about it. Maybe I get a sudden clever idea to change the path there. Meanwhile please take a look ingame whether it confirms your impression.

Simply find textures more actual and less old-ish. You could find an inspiration in de_season, or maybe closer to what you want to do: New York maps from Will2k, he has well updated his textures for the cs go version compared to his previous version. I think that visually, you can achieve something a lot better without starting detailing too much.

Maybe I can grab some inspirations from this. Thanks.

I also refer to it as GoldSrc, as some of the details are very blocky, specifically the picture with holes in the wall and the rather chunky slab of angled wood.

You refer to the B spot here. This is one of the least current parts of the map. This should be just a sketch of the layout and theme you can expect there in the future. But you are right, in it's current state it's not very pleasing. Most likely it's the next part I will rework (or ct spawn).

You've also used a lot of noisy textures in close proximity to each other and looping a lot. Like when someone wears a heavily patterned shirt with heavily patterned shorts, there's too much going on and it looks a mess.

Do you mean the A spot in particular? I defused some very frequent texture (glass tower) and added new texture for the ground (see last update first picture). Do you think it is still to noisy?

Some of de_change I would like to see is towards your pathways, they are very narrow and long. I think the map needs to be made a bit smaller. It would be a smart move to also implement some neutral textures (dev) while you work on the layout and size of the map. Seems a little silly to line up all your textures now, just adding extra work to your workload.

A lot of textures, especially on b site of the map, are just placeholders, because i did not want to publish the map with dev textures. It seems it was a bad decission, because many people are bothered about them.

Panda · July 9, 2015

Ingame it does not feel too bad however I would remove the furthest path to A as it has no purpose. And any others like that because I just makes the map complicated and people can get lost like I did. The texturing is quite bland......try making it like A site which wasn't that bad.

y-man · August 18, 2015

Finally, right before playtesting session this thursday, big update on de_change (new overview on top):

- all new CT spawn
- big B spot overhaul (inclusive T house)
- removed some dark spots
- closed one redundant(?) CT route to A spot
- clean-up on A spot
- altered T route to A (removed a house, added another, some trees...)
- minor changes everywhere

This map will be playtested this thursday (20. August) at 21:00 CEST. I want to invite everybody to join us. See you there!

Some new pictures