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So, RD, if I say there is a god called Mundaamuno - a frog headed moose - that just spoke in my dreams and said HE is the creator of everything, this could be the truth because there is no proof against it? That is a stupid claim.

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So, RD, if I say there is a god called Mundaamuno - a frog headed moose - that just spoke in my dreams and said HE is the creator of everything, this could be the truth because there is no proof against it? That is a stupid claim.

But unfortunately 90% of religions are just like that, some dude claims he saw a spirit or something and since at hand there were no proof against him, to that person the spirit must exists.

That is why religions are matter of belief and not matter of facts, that is what separatest science and religion from each other. Religion loses it's meaning when it is dressed in facts, just like science loses it's meaning if it is dressed in beliefs, so that is why there will never ever be proof of god and never will be the proof of that god created science since science stops being scientific if god comes to us and tells "I created science to fool you guys and test ye faith".

This is an age old debate we are having here, and since then the score is something like 0-0 religion against science.

Pericolos0

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Science fills gaps with the truth, whether it be god, tripods or alien semen. Science doesnt care if u hate god, its completely irrelevant to science what ur opinion is :roll: God is possible, and science defeats u if say otherwise.

science fills the gaps with hypotheses, which are educated guesses. god is not an hypothesis, it's a cop out.

Science also tries to find answers to unnatural things and observe things which are yet unobservable. For example the great mystery of quantum physics isnt what is observable and natural, but unobservable and still thought as unnatural.

Since we dont know what god is we dont even know what to look for. If we would travel to the end of the universe in 2030 and see an allpowerful orb with his son next to a golden chair, then evrything you have ever observed will be proof of him.

may i ask you what is unobservable and unnatural about quantum physics. As long as science can observe it its observable and natural. whats unobservable and unnatural is for philosophy and crazy new age folk using quantum physics as false proof for their pantheistic god.

Science shouldn't even be bothered with the concept god if there is no evidence that could lead to a "theory of god". You cannot start out with a conclusion and then go looking for evidence to support it. You make a conclusion of the evidence you have. So far there is no real evidence of the existence of an all powerful supernatural being influencing our universe

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So, RD, if I say there is a god called Mundaamuno - a frog headed moose - that just spoke in my dreams and said HE is the creator of everything, this could be the truth because there is no proof against it? That is a stupid claim.

Yes, it could be the truth because God might have changed appearances and taken on a diffrent shape for each person on this planet.

science fills the gaps with hypotheses, which are educated guesses. god is not an hypothesis, it's a cop out.

Science has no hypothesis on what happened before the moment all scientific laws were created.

may i ask you what is unobservable and unnatural about quantum physics. As long as science can observe it its observable and natural. whats unobservable and unnatural is for philosophy and crazy new age folk using quantum physics as false proof for their pantheistic god.

Strings for example. Ppl that believe string theory arent all crazy new age folks tho many of them are

Science shouldn't even be bothered with the concept god if there is no evidence that could lead to a "theory of god". You cannot start out with a conclusion and then go looking for evidence to support it. You make a conclusion of the evidence you have.

Science isnt bothered finding God :cool: But if u say god cant exist, u need some proof for it, and science will defeat u. Nobodys trying to prove god, only disprove, and yes, u need science to disprove something.

So far there is no real evidence of the existence of an all powerful supernatural being influencing our universe

Again some ppl have a very narrowminded idea of what God could be. Why would he have to be influencing the universe constantly? He could have created it all in a bang without never having to touch a single atom again.

The Postman

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Science fills gaps with the truth, whether it be god, tripods or alien semen. Science doesnt care if u hate god, its completely irrelevant to science what ur opinion is :roll: God is possible, and science defeats u if say otherwise.

I don't hate God you insufferable nitwit. I think the idea of him is silly and has no place in science. Get off your moral pedestal and come back to reality. Plugging God into the gaps that science has yet to figure out is just dishonest and patently childish. The final fumblings of someone losing an argument and grasping at territory to stake claim in. Christ you're a moron.

Schmung

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Plugging God into the gaps that science has yet to figure out is just dishonest and patently childish.

It's what a huge amount of people do anyway..

Just another word for luck or chance or whatever words you use for something you don't understand. I don't deny that you're right, but putting something in the place of the things they don't properly understand is a very human thing to do. We personify everything, cars, computers and other inanimate stuff, gods just the personification of everything that goes on that we have no understanding of. It's not something that it necessarily stupid, because we all do it to an extent. It's stupid when you build up a belief system because of it and start making rules, killing people and not eating pork based on it.

Thats my pennys worth.

RD

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Science fills gaps with the truth, whether it be god, tripods or alien semen. Science doesnt care if u hate god, its completely irrelevant to science what ur opinion is :roll: God is possible, and science defeats u if say otherwise.

I don't hate God you insufferable nitwit. I think the idea of him is silly and has no place in science. Get off your moral pedestal and come back to reality. Plugging God into the gaps that science has yet to figure out is just dishonest and patently childish. The final fumblings of someone losing an argument and grasping at territory to stake claim in. Christ you're a moron.

I never said to fill the gaps with God, so i just couldnt resist twisting ur words as well. Now could u stop changing the subject to the filling of gaps, were trying to have a political religious discussion without AD HOMINEMS :roll:

The Postman

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I never said to fill the gaps with God, so i just couldnt resist twisting ur words as well. Now could u stop changing the subject to the filling of gaps, were trying to have a political religious discussion without AD HOMINEMS :roll:

I calls 'em like I see 'em. You got us started on all this God=scienceLOL shit anyhow, so don't even try to bail now. God filling the gaps is bullshit. Pure and simple. "Creationism," "intelligent design (see: Creationism)" and other such false tripe have no place in a science classroom because...they're not science.

RD

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I calls 'em like I see 'em. You got us started on all this God=scienceLOL shit anyhow, so don't even try to bail now. God filling the gaps is bullshit. Pure and simple. "Creationism," "intelligent design (see: Creationism)" and other such false tripe have no place in a science classroom because...they're not science.

This is exactly what ive been saying :roll:

Kosmo

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I never said to fill the gaps with God, so i just couldnt resist twisting ur words as well. Now could u stop changing the subject to the filling of gaps, were trying to have a political religious discussion without AD HOMINEMS :roll:

I calls 'em like I see 'em. You got us started on all this God=scienceLOL shit anyhow, so don't even try to bail now. God filling the gaps is bullshit. Pure and simple. "Creationism," "intelligent design (see: Creationism)" and other such false tripe have no place in a science classroom because...they're not science.

But I want to say only one thing, science nor god are both all powerful, god might be actually some alien being who has done great things, or he could be some 'divine' thing that actually created intelligent life on earth. But science is just as fucked up, they consider truth as something that occurs 90% of the time, like example, the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, now many times that may be true, but there are alot of places that doesn't occur. But that is just hypothesis bullshit, which is as vague as existense of god.

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