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I fucking love The Punisher, he's been my favourite "superhero" ever since I found out about him as a little kid and finally getting an epic series like this about him is a wish granted. I absolutely loved him in Daredevil season 2, he killed it and really made the season great, everything without him was getting bland. His standalone series is also fucking fantastic, I'm at episode 11 currently. 

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Seen Black Panther, it was… ok.

Usually excessive over the top stunts that are not really exciting, too absurd tech as well imo.

Very self contained, explains the origins of the character etc.

I was also sitting too close to the screen which spoilt it 

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I thought Black Panther was pretty good. No super strong complaints, but I didn't necessarily love it as much as some people. A lot of the characters felt pretty pointless (the actor from Get Out had a fairly stiff, not very believable/boring role in the story).

 

At one point he rides a Rhinocerous, which kind of summed up his character for me. Needlessly unbelievable and with motivations that don't really compute in the context of the narrative. We're told that he's very upset that his father died, but we 1) never saw his father 2) his "upset" isn't really shown in any meaningful way, he's like this stoic guy who all the sudden goes from complete loyalty to the protagonist to strong antagonism in virtually no time. All because a villain drops a dead body at his feet? It doesn't work.

There were a lot of characters who probably should have been cut in order to focus on the ones that were really interesting (the Uncle/Brother character for example got really short shrift despite being the most interesting person in the story. His entire plotline deserved way more depth and screentime. They probably cut it to de-emphasize the "real world" politics aspect of his character, but that was easily the most interesting unexplored area of the story. The film opens with him stockpiling weaponry and then abandons his whole plotline, pretty basic violation of "Chekhov's Gun" with predictably disastrous results for viewers sitting there wondering what the deal is with that for the entire rest of the movie, and they never really give you any more action than that with his character. They just say "he was going to overthrow the government" or something. Too vague.)

The really intelligent sister character was basically a Mary Sue, I liked her character but where was her backstory, how did she get so smart, where was she educated and what are her goals and ambitions? They don't say a word about it, she's just kinda always amazing and doing amazing things without any humanizing flaws or realistic challenges other than what her brother is experiencing. A little bit of a flat character there.

T'Challa himself was intro'd with very little background himself, you know virtually nothing about him other than that he loves a woman and can't behave properly around her. Which they then abandon as a plotline as well, never to return to that particular character quirk.

So many interesting ideas that are basically just abandoned for no reason other than to put more action/fight sequences with rapid cuts that don't really do much to satisfy the viewer. (There was absolutely nothing positively memorable at all about the action scenes, but a lot of goofy stuff does come to mind.)

Overall, worth seeing but not the best of the Marvel films.

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On 21.2.2018 at 10:57 PM, FMPONE said:

I thought Black Panther was pretty good. No super strong complaints, but I didn't necessarily love it as much as some people. A lot of the characters felt pretty pointless (the actor from Get Out had a fairly stiff, not very believable/boring role in the story).

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At one point he rides a Rhinocerous, which kind of summed up his character for me. Needlessly unbelievable and with motivations that don't really compute in the context of the narrative. We're told that he's very upset that his father died, but we 1) never saw his father 2) his "upset" isn't really shown in any meaningful way, he's like this stoic guy who all the sudden goes from complete loyalty to the protagonist to strong antagonism in virtually no time. All because a villain drops a dead body at his feet? It doesn't work.

There were a lot of characters who probably should have been cut in order to focus on the ones that were really interesting (the Uncle/Brother character for example got really short shrift despite being the most interesting person in the story. His entire plotline deserved way more depth and screentime. They probably cut it to de-emphasize the "real world" politics aspect of his character, but that was easily the most interesting unexplored area of the story. The film opens with him stockpiling weaponry and then abandons his whole plotline, pretty basic violation of "Chekhov's Gun" with predictably disastrous results for viewers sitting there wondering what the deal is with that for the entire rest of the movie, and they never really give you any more action than that with his character. They just say "he was going to overthrow the government" or something. Too vague.)

The really intelligent sister character was basically a Mary Sue, I liked her character but where was her backstory, how did she get so smart, where was she educated and what are her goals and ambitions? They don't say a word about it, she's just kinda always amazing and doing amazing things without any humanizing flaws or realistic challenges other than what her brother is experiencing. A little bit of a flat character there.

T'Challa himself was intro'd with very little background himself, you know virtually nothing about him other than that he loves a woman and can't behave properly around her. Which they then abandon as a plotline as well, never to return to that particular character quirk.

So many interesting ideas that are basically just abandoned for no reason other than to put more action/fight sequences with rapid cuts that don't really do much to satisfy the viewer. (There was absolutely nothing positively memorable at all about the action scenes, but a lot of goofy stuff does come to mind.)

Overall, worth seeing but not the best of the Marvel films.

 

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Nobody posted the new trailer

@FMPONE black panther to me, like most marvel movies, feels like worth watching… on your home cinema :/

Speaking of the awkwardness of not seeing Black Panther, what was all this talk about appropriation and white people shouldnt see it? America you are so lame so often

 

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