HATRED

[knj]

My context is pretty straight forward - this is just a game, meaning some pixels on my TV guys srsly

[FMPONE]

Reading this thread in class without having seen the video is sooooooooooooo interesting. Can't wait to see what all the murder hubub is about.

[RaVaGe]

tldr;

[DrywallDreams]

Drowning Pool: The Video Game

[jackophant]

The MW2 airport scene caused huge controversy but covered a story, this is just senseless killing, no tongue in cheek about it. As far as I can tell there's not even a story, it's how long you can go on a rampage for until you die. Violence depicted in video games is already balancing on a knife's edge without a game like this baiting the clucking media into a frenzy.

 

No doubt, some nutter who will shoot up a school will have played this and that will reflect badly on any game that shows the remotest part of violence. Typically it wouldn't be the games fault, it would be the disturbed individual who bought it because he wanted to do something like this.

 

But for me it's all about context, GTA, Dishonoured and others don't rely on the core element of you wiping out everything in sight.

 

And "a killer is a killer" is a totally whacked statement. It's not the killing that's the problem it's the fact that you choose to play a game where you can do this. A game like this shouldn't and doesn't need to exist.

 

Only bad things will come of it.

Edited October 22, 2014 by jackophant

[Pete_H]

 

tldr;

"The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." - Albert Einstein

 

 

And if the game conveys that, that´s awesome. But it looks like you just walk around being a douche killing people who don´t deserve it for no reason. All through pretty run of the mill game mechanics. Like Vilham said context is relevant. 

 

And the GTA argument is invalid, you have the choice to kill in GTA and if you don´t (part of mission) then, like I said before, there´s usually a reason. 

[RaVaGe]

Pretty terrible game imo...

[Pete_H]

The MW2 airport scene caused huge controversy but covered a story, this is just senseless killing, no tongue in cheek about it. As far as I can tell there's not even a story, it's how long you can go on a rampage for until you die. Violence depicted in video games is already balancing on a knife's edge without a game like this baiting the clucking media into a frenzy.

 

No doubt, some nutter who will shoot up a school will have played this and that will reflect badly on any game that shows the remotest part of violence. Typically it wouldn't be the games fault, it would be the disturbed individual who bought it because he wanted to do something like this.

 

But for me it's all about context, GTA, Dishonoured and other don't rely on the core element of you wiping out everything in site.

 

And "a killer is a killer" is a totally whacked statement. It's not the killing that's the problem it's the fact that you choose to play a game where you can do this. A game like this shouldn't and doesn't need to exist.

 

Only bad things will come of it.

 

This!

[Skacky]

This looks absolutely shallow and, frankly, really really shit. If you want to make an ultra violent game, at least put some humor like Postal or Carmageddon.

[FMPONE]

So did some politician fund the developement of this game just so they could bad mouth it on the Senate floor? That trailer was just like the developers begging for political regulation of the gaming industry, it seems like a school shooter's wet dream. The developers of this game, every single person who worked on it, are childish assholes and are going to selfishly hurt the entire industry so that they can get free publicity for their murder porn. This game is exactly what every soccer Mom is afraid of, and for good reason, if every video game was like this I wouldn't mind banning them.

If you buy this game you're bad and you should feel bad.

[dkm]

 You can apply that logic to anything.

 

It's quite different (and it's not the question here) but even if it wasn't, that still doesn't make it ok...

Edited October 16, 2014 by dkm

[knj]

Guys we all have opinions about stuff and this is how it should be. But what I don't understand why someone is judging other state of mental health by liking this trailer

[Izuno]

Well I wish my 2 year old didn't get up at 3am to take a dump in the toilet....for 45 minutes...cause I am freaking tired as hell but wtf here goes....

 

Killing unarmed, innocent people (or even unarmed guilty people) in games always gives me pause.  Even way back to the original Half-Life I just couldn't bring myself to shoot the scientists for no reason.  War, combat, killing things that are trying to kill you...yeah...in a game I can get that and of course we've all done that in games for yea- no, eons.  Epochs, even.

 

A few times in GTA I said fuck it and started killing civilians...and then the cops come in droves.  And most of the time I'd just keep shooting and killing and then get killed.  I didn't feel so bad getting killed in the game cause wtf i just blew away all these NPCs getting coffee and shit and well my character deserved it.  It felt somewhat real to me, and it made me feel good that I felt bad for killing NPCs because it reminded me I am a good person who cares about other human beings....even if a game is just a meaningless simulation at the end of the day.

 

But in this game, it just feels like a celebration of narcissistic, insane superiority with absolutely zero shred of humanity.  

And here is my personal problem with that:

 

I want my games to mean something.  I like games that cause me to learn something about characters, people, myself, my ideas etc. that hopefully will teach me a reason to be more positive, hopeful and better.  I want to think about issues in society that will hopefully inspire people to question why things are the way they are and further inspire people to want to make the world better.  Kinda flowery and rainbow unicorn-y. Yeah, I get it.  I'm a skeptic, not a cynic.

 

I have two small children.  Every day when I drop my daughter off at kindergarten I think about her safety, and how I love her with all my heart.

 

Things like this basically say "let's celebrate all the school shooters, all the narcissistic psychos and make this behavior fun!"

 

Or is it not trying to do that?  Doesn't seem like it.  I have to be brutally honest, if I were hiring a game developer and they told me they made this game and loved it and found nothing wrong with it and that they could not see why anyone would at least find it objectionable and then start denouncing anyone who had a problem with it, I wouldn't hired that person simply due to a conflict in my personal moral code.

 

Why? Because deep down I would be worried about that person's values, that it says somewhere they believe that the behavior in this simulation is okay.  Or said another way, it makes me wonder if that person fantasizes about going on killing sprees themselves.  I just don't want to be around that or celebrate that.  I suppose it is okay to have thoughts but if you are thinking about that, and thinking about that a lot, you have issues with anger.  I find people like that ultimately very toxic even if they never touch a weapon or harm another person ever in their life.

 

 

 

And finally the flip side...there is something fascinating in watching that trailer, like watching a horrible car crash in slow motion.  When I watched it I really felt bad and thought about my kids and their schools and how I hope all the kids in their schools are free from bullying...then I thought about wanting to be a guest teacher at the school on how to recognize when you are bullying someone and what to do if you are being bullied.  So bravo for making me think something positive after watching this.

 

 

 

Still wouldn't ever buy it but having said all that...hope the devs enjoy their right of expression.  We'll just have to sit back and see what happens.

 

 

 

Damn i need coffee.

[FMPONE]

Guys we all have opinions about stuff and this is how it should be. But what I don't understand why someone is judging other state of mental health by liking this trailer

If someone made a game about shooting up a school, would you judge them? The emo guy in this trailer is like saying genocide is cool. How is that different?

Porn =/= art, even the free speech loving United States Supreme Court says that. This is murder porn from what I can tell.

[FMPONE]

Battlefield, Counterstrike...

So did some politician fund the developement of this game just so they could bad mouth it on the Senate floor? That trailer was just like the developers begging for political regulation of the gaming industry, it seems like a soldiers' wet dream. Fuck the developers of this game, every single person who worked on it, morons are going to selfishly hurt the entire industry so that they can get free publicity for their War on terror porn.

If you buy this game you're bad and you should feel bad.

You can apply that logic to anything.

Let's say, what makes killing aliens in videogames less bad? Maybe aliens are more peaceful than humans, but they see us as a threat because we are the only beings that kill their own kind or animals for fun. We also tend to destroy the environment we need for living. As agent Smith says in the matrix, we're like a virus. Or like a cancer. Cancer also drains resources and kills the environment it is living in.

So, now applying your logic. If you don't care for the environment, you are bad and you should feel bad. Real life is not a game (could actually be) , where actions actually have consequences.

No you're wrong, content is judged all the time by wether it only appeals to a prurient unhealthy interest, that's why broadcasting the Terminator on television is OK, but broadcasting Cannibal Holocaust is not. Both talk about murder, but one is pornographic about it. The content of this game is trash, as bad as I've seen in games.

How can we get worse than this, I'm being serious. Role playing as a Nazi and loading the ovens up? Is that actually worse than designing a game that only focuses on just shooting random civilians for no reason? The people making and buying these games are responsible in the end for their terribleness, I'm not saying censor them necessarily, I'm saying if you buy this you need to think about it and ask yourself what the hell is wrong with you, in my personal opinion.