Vinneri Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 What do you think? There's huge clipping problem at the moment, so you can get to roofs several ways. Map itself seems pretty solid.
leplubodeslapin Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 it's one of the most famous custom map from CS 1.6 and CS:Source. The community have been waiting for its remake on GO for 3 years and it finally released. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312199550 The main issue is that the textures are really sharp and ... ugly, i really don't like them. The lighting is buggy because there are 2 light_environments entities in the map but with different configurations (brightness, angles and pitch), so the lightmap calculated by RAD differs from the cascade shadows and crazy bugs happen, such as : I can't believe that after 2 - 3 years of work you can release a beta with this kind of "bug". Also the textures are most of the time applied badly and quickly, he really should have accepted all the help people have proposed him... holiestcows and Deh0lise 2
jackophant Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 I can't believe that after 2 - 3 years of work you can release a beta with this kind of "bug". Also the textures are most of the time applied badly and quickly, he really should have accepted all the help people have proposed him... A million times yes. I don't know what his reasons were for keeping it locked down like he has, but it looks really dated. I'm also confused as to why he made it North African/Spanish, when the name already suggests another area of the world entirely. I don't want to sound bitchy but look at those boxes in this screenshot, I would expect something much more interesting and less flat. The short tree and excessive vegetation seems like a poor design choice as well.
Vinneri Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Posted September 10, 2014 In Reddit Brute has said that in "future" he will desing both bombsites with custom assets. http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2fzehk/brute_releases_de_tuscan_beta_finally_d/cke83gu
DrywallDreams Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 http://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/2fzehk/brute_releases_de_tuscan_beta_finally_d/cke83gu 2 years
Vaya Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 It looks like a bit of a mess going by the reddit discussion, lots of unintended jump spots and invisible walls. A Duke Nukem forever of a map I can't help but feel sorry for brute- obviously he wants to keep full control of his creation but the community is pushing for the map (tuned to current standards) constantly. I guess it comes down to where your map stops being yours and starts being part of the communities furniture. same time thou: @K3nnyfr it's not about money. I've never mapped for money. I don't want someone like fmpone working on it. https://twitter.com/BrutesMaps/status/509112216314843138
slibu Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 if it isn't about the money, what is it about? I don't know about you guys but if I created an original map that was a huge success among the community I would gladly seek help or even let other people make a better version of it, if I can't deliver a solid remake. unless you are greedy and don't want to share the potential operation money.. first thing that came to my mind when I walked around the map is 'this isn't really a competitive map'... way too much visual noise with dark/sharp textures and many spots with overdone foliage where you can't see players properly. and there are way too many jumpable boxes and spots (not counting the rooftop bugs).. ashton93 1
Vinneri Posted September 10, 2014 Author Report Posted September 10, 2014 if it isn't about the money, what is it about? I don't know about you guys but if I created an original map that was a huge success among the community I would gladly seek help or even let other people make a better version of it, if I can't deliver a solid remake. unless you are greedy and don't want to share the potential operation money.. first thing that came to my mind when I walked around the map is 'this isn't really a competitive map'... way too much visual noise with dark/sharp textures and many spots with overdone foliage where you can't see players properly. and there are way too many jumpable boxes and spots (not counting the rooftop bugs).. Happily it's only beta. I'm sure all weird stuff that wasn't possible in 1.6 or cs:s will be removed, because pros' feedback is going to bee arsh.
Spherix Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 I'm sure that the people who made it into operations wouldn't mind give a little advise without demanding profit shares right away.. Judging by the feedback I see now, he hasn't done any notable playtesting or reviews by anyone whatsoever. I get that he doesn't want to let his baby go, but I am pretty confident that there's quite a number of people that could have pulled off a better job in the timespan he's taking. That being said, it is 'advertised' as being a beta version, and the feedback he is getting is enormous, let's hope he makes the best of it and isn't shy to ask for help now that so many reached out.
holiestcows Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 (edited) Man this guy seems like a total fucking dick head. I personally dont enjoy Tuscan as a layout, but I respect people who do. Him working on it to make it better and re-release to CSGO is really cool and a responsible thing to do as an author of a fan favorite map. But for him to work on it for 3 years? and it to come out pretty mediocre and have so many bugs and issues, then when he defends himself+map about why its in this state, to lash out and call out FMPone, for what ever reason, is childish. He deliberately play tested with a very small focus group and never really publicized it for feedback. I used to aspire to the old community map devs for CS, but this just is another case of dont meet your idols/heroes. Edited September 10, 2014 by holiestcows El_Exodus, text_fish and ShockaPop 3
text_fish Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 I think the FMPone comment was very unfair, not only to FMPone but to Volcano and Ted as well. It was a cheap shot without any obvious foundation in truth -- I don't think anybody who puts that much love in to their maps can only be doing it for the money. I'm assuming Brute's just on the defensive because there's been so much pressure from the community to release the map and now that it's out in some form the response has been ... mostly unhelpful. Most of the comments on Reddit et al are just people smuggly pointing out self-boosts and poor clipping, which has got to be frustrating when I guess what he really needs is more insight in to issues such as visibility, layout, etc. Things that are actually going to effect the map once it's out of beta. I had a run around in it earlier and found visibility of CTs to be an issue throughout, but this can be fixed by changing the CT skins and adding whitewashes etc. I think the visuals need some cleaning up and a bit of post-processing will probably tie it all together nicely in the final version. Overall I think my main issue is that he doesn't appear to have done any player leading with the visuals so anybody who hasn't played the map before will probably take a while to learn what spots they need to check and where to go etc. Thematically speaking I hope he plans on replacing the tropical foliage with something a bit more Italian. I'm looking forward to playing with some real people soon. The Horse Strangler, ShockaPop, Vaya and 1 other 4
dux Posted September 10, 2014 Report Posted September 10, 2014 A pretty cheap shot comment by whoever the fuck that guy is towards pone, and I've certainly never heard of him. The funny thing is shawn would do twice as better a job without any motivation over money. Sprony 1
El_Exodus Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 The funny thing is shawn would do triple as better a job without any motivation over money. +only in 5 months instead of 2 years. ftfy.
FMPONE Posted September 11, 2014 Report Posted September 11, 2014 Let's not turn this into a shit show guys. If you wanna give feedback on the map give feedback, otherwise maybe we should close the thread. tomm, Evert, Sprony and 3 others 6
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