What's going on with your life?

[Seldoon182]

The sad thing is that they don't. I've seen various forums on Facebook just get fired up and start mass producing drawings and sketches of Mohammad not knowing that they are not really hurting any terrorist, just the Muslim viewers of those pages. Yes, you have the freedom to draw the guy, but use some common sense and think about who you are hurting by doing what you're doing. Show some respect instead of just posting flamebaits.

 

Showing respect to sect such as christianisme, islam, republic and those kind of tools of power to master people? R you insane or wutt?

[Sentura]

 

The sad thing is that they don't. I've seen various forums on Facebook just get fired up and start mass producing drawings and sketches of Mohammad not knowing that they are not really hurting any terrorist, just the Muslim viewers of those pages. Yes, you have the freedom to draw the guy, but use some common sense and think about who you are hurting by doing what you're doing. Show some respect instead of just posting flamebaits.

 

Showing respect to sect such as christianisme, islam, republic and those kind of tools of power to master people? R you insane or wutt?

 

 

So you're implying that everyone who practices a religion is a terrorist? What the fuck man.

[jackophant]

So you're implying that everyone who practices a religion is a terrorist? What the fuck man.

 

I think what he means is that religion is a powerful tool to "control" people and we shouldn't play into it's hands and surrender ourselves to it.

 

Control is used loosely, but anyone God fearing (emphasis on the latter word) lives a certain way, due to a certain context to prevent themselves from eternal damnation.

 

Religion will be forever a divisive topic...

[Sentura]

I don't care about religion, nor is this supposed to ignite a discussion into theology. Nowhere have I stated that religion should have control over people's lives. I was speaking about common courtesy and respect. Something that everyone should have towards each other, religion or not.

Edited January 9, 2015 by Sentura

[KoKo5oVaR]

Likewise i don't think it has much to do with religion, well actually it does a bit, but so little that it would be way too simplistic to explain this kind of situation by religious intolerance only. This kind of symbolic acts made in the name of culture/religion/tradition always come from a very contemporary political/social tension boiling down but which can't be played on the political field.

 

There is tension between the western block countries and the arabic world at play since the decolonisation which still keep the arabic world into political instability and there has been an increase since 2000 for the reasons we know. There is also a franco-french problem which makes that the majority of the immigration issued population come from algeria/tunisia/morocco. Those lower class populations where isolated not only culturally but also locally, mainly by the logic of the renting market which kept immigrants out of certain parts of cities to not make the prices of certain living areas going down. Well obviously this creates unrest and division. For example the suburb town i grew in for 20 years is still nowadays ~90% muslim or people issued from the arabic immigration.

 

So of course i can only speak for myself, but when there is a period of political instability it always cracks first at the most weak point of the society stability. That's why i'm pissed off when the most read free newspaper in france title : "the hatred of free speech" or "is there a problem with islam" when it's all but a false debate, but a structural issue that should be discussed as why the society manage to create such individuals and why the french children issued from the algerian immigration still don't feel accepted by their society 50 years after. Which is definitely not new and much bigger than me

[Sentura]

Eloquently put, though I'm certain this sort of segregation isn't happening in just France. It may be that tensions are greater because of the colonial past in France, but it's hardly the only country that practices blatant Islamophobia/xenophobia.

 

I'm pondering this problem, as it seemingly has been solved in the US - at least when counting places of mass migration and various cultures, like big cities. Why isn't the same behavior appropriated to big cities in Europe? It may not prevent terrorist groups entirely, but it would be a start if people stopped the passive hostility that has been going on towards fringe groups of society.

Edited January 10, 2015 by Sentura

[⌐■_■]

Wouldn't the passive hostility more likely be a reaction to some religious wacko's killing people because a cartoon depicting Mohammed?

 

I'm all for tolerance of race, don't get me wrong, but wouldn't it be nice to have a society without the pollution of religion? Think about it.

[Sentura]

By all means. Do you have a realistic projection for when that's going to happen?

[TheOnlyDoubleF]

Please guys, this isn't the subject of this thread. 

[cashed]

Drinking one of my new favourite beers

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/14439/86938/?ba=rarbring

[TheOnlyDoubleF]

Drinking one of my new favourite beers

http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/14439/86938/?ba=rarbring

 

Isn't there a Beer appreciation thread here? OMG, gonna create that right now. Off topic or extreme off topic? 

[RaVaGe]

but wouldn't it be nice to have a society without the pollution of religion? Think about it.

 

I didn't read the discussion above, but I completly disagree here, you can't blame the religion, the single thing you can blame is how the humans use their tools and how they behave with them. I consider the religions like tools, like idk, a knive or a nuclear shell, it's not the tool wich is bad, but the use of it. A knive doesn't say what you have to do with it, it's only the person that use it wich determine if he's going to do something good or bad.

 

So please don't blame the religions, blame the humans that are using their tools in a bad way, i'm atheist btw.

[Sprony]

 

but wouldn't it be nice to have a society without the pollution of religion? Think about it.

 

I didn't read the discussion above, but I completly disagree here, you can't blame the religion, the single thing you can blame is how the humans use their tools and how they behave with them. I consider the religions like tools, like idk, a knive or a nuclear shell, it's not the tool wich is bad, but the use of it. A knive doesn't say what you have to do with it, it's only the person that use it wich determine if he's going to do something good or bad.

 

So please don't blame the religions, blame the humans that are using their tools in a bad way, i'm atheist btw.

 

 

Yes, blame humankind. Still, I get what he's saying because it would be one less reason to fight about. We already have so many.

 

Regarding the whole Paris thing. I admire the French. When 9-11 happened the focus was on the terrorists. Making it all about them. Now, it's about the people who died and their rights. Everybody is celebrating what they did. Making more and more. To me, that says 'Fuck you' to the people responsible and I for one, can respect that.

[blackdog]

but wouldn't it be nice to have a society without the pollution of religion? Think about it.

 

I didn't read the discussion above, but I completly disagree here, you can't blame the religion, the single thing you can blame is how the humans use their tools and how they behave with them. I consider the religions like tools, like idk, a knive or a nuclear shell, it's not the tool wich is bad, but the use of it. A knive doesn't say what you have to do with it, it's only the person that use it wich determine if he's going to do something good or bad.

 

So please don't blame the religions, blame the humans that are using their tools in a bad way, i'm atheist btw.

 

Yes, blame humankind. Still, I get what he's saying because it would be one less reason to fight about. We already have so many.

 

Regarding the whole Paris thing. I admire the French. When 9-11 happened the focus was on the terrorists. Making it all about them. Now, it's about the people who died and their rights. Everybody is celebrating what they did. Making more and more. To me, that says 'Fuck you' to the people responsible and I for one, can respect that.

It's ironic though, that before they were killed so many people were saying that satire was offensive and shouldn't be drawn.

The magazine was printing only 45K copies...

[Sentura]

Also, people not being able to tell the difference between extremists and practitioners: http://www.vox.com/2015/1/10/7524731/french-muslims-attacks-charlie-hebdo