please be honest

[Duff-e]

at least you can enjoy crap that doesnt matter.....i would never donate money unless i personally knew exactly where that money went....or i would buy food with the money and then donate that

then again i most likely wouldnt donate anyway

[DaanO]

klein, I think you underestimate my knowledge of the whole situation. I know that Africa is corrupt and that money alone would probably only make it worse. What i am talking about, is that the continent is ignored. If foreign UN soldiers would go to Africa, combined with all the food/beds/tents that were sent to Asia, and all the money, that surely would help an awful lot.

Actually, i am pretty sure that the people that donate (yes, that includes you) only donate because they feel better in the end. I'm not saying you are egoistic or whatever, but you help because it makes you feel good. Let me ask you something: would you help if it made you feel bad? This is just human nature, the very reason for anything any human does is their own happiness, it's true. Even the people that sacrifice their lives for 'the great good' do that. Because they would feel worse if they didn't. I'm not saying this is bad because with the christian "you have to help the weaker to be a good person and go to heaven" indoctrination people will do some good. But they do it to feel better themselves.

By the way, i didn't mean to say that the 'ordinary man' it on a "i donated more than you and therefor i am a better person" strike, but some celebrities AND countries sure are. I can see why people have problems with me and disagree, but saying that that means i have my head up my ass, you just aren't taking me serious. Which is pretty bad. And finally, i don't think the world is any pretty so maybe sticking my head up my ass ain't that bad after all.

[RD]

Actually, i am pretty sure that the people that donate (yes, that includes you) only donate because they feel better in the end. I'm not saying you are egoistic or whatever, but you help because it makes you feel good. Let me ask you something: would you help if it made you feel bad? This is just human nature, the very reason for anything any human does is their own happiness, it's true.

I think there was some kinda scientific experiment that showed evrything ppl do they do for themselves. For example giving money to a beggar, even if u think u do it for him ur actually doing it for urself, u want him to feel better and this makes u feel better.

As for helping ppl when it makes u feel bad, its not human nature, its impossible. Its like keeping your arm still when u want it to move, and even if u manage to keep it still, ur doing it to prove to yourself that u can.

So basically its impossible to do it for other reasons, and ur just the same as all the others Daan :wink:

Money is money, its irrelevant who gave it or why he gave it, someone could give it because he wants tsunami victims to drown in it. If he gave it to Africa you would probably complain it should go to Asia, and sending troops there u would probably complain they should go to Iraq

[kleinluka]

No you're wrong. I didn't donate so it makes me feel better.

But I DO believe you are arguing with me because it makes you feel better/smarter. I believe what I did was something good. I could have donated to somebody else but I didn't. I could have donate NOTHING AT ALL, but I didn't cause I think the people there could need it. I felt happy I could "do my part" but I certainly don't feel like I'm a better human because of it. I just think of it as my duty to help these people because after all we live in an international community.

Now go argue and tell me again I'm actually a self-loving asshole that donated to boost his ego. You people need to get some fresh air.

[DaanO]

I really don't think you think you're a better person for donating. I said 'most people', and actually, seeing how you reflect on things i get the feeling you're not one of those people. But i am pretty sure that you do that because it makes you feel better. It's not your main reason to do it, it's more of a subconscious thing. People do things because in the end it makes them feel better. Apparently, in how you were raised, you get a good feeling by helping people. Even if it seems that you are not getting anything back from it. Which is good, without a doubt, helping is good. I think this whole egocentric thing just got a bad name because if people hear the word they think of selfish money-hungry big corporation manager bastards that kill poor people and eat babies just to get more money. If i say you did it because it makes you feel better i didn't mean you're on of those people, you probably intended good things with it. But this is just human nature. (And yes, i'm just the same, i do all things because it makes me feel better. And sometimes smarter as well, yes, although i don't feel smarter than you klein. Not because of this at least (joke btw) I agree it might even be your duty to help people (i didn't donate but i have been supporting a doctor organisation that operates in war scenes for years). Anyway, i never ment to say you're a self-loving asshole, or that you did it to boost your ego. But in a way, you did do that because it makes you feel better (in general, not better than someone else), that's just how people work. If they didn't work like that, they wouldn't have survived evolution i think. Just accept it. I think it's just very naieve to say people sometimes do things only for others, while they don't want it themselves/ while they gain nothing. Because they do.

[Spydre]

I don't usually say much here, but...

[MagicTMP]

well at least theres a topic worth talking about now.

[DanielAragon]

it made me feel good for donating, but i was starving taht entire week cos i didnt ahve any money for food, no breakfast,lunch. i had dinner but tahtas about it

and its now about ill go to heaven first, FYI, im ignostic, so i dont reallt believe in taht stuff...not saying its bsd, just saying i dont think its there, so i didnt do it to go to heaven, i did it cos i wanted to help, thast all.

[DaanO]

I had a bit of a discussion with klein about this, and i just wanna say i really don't want to offend anyone. Donating money is good, as long as you can see the bigger picture and most people simply can't do that. I really don't think it counts for anything (as in, it says something about who you are) or that it makes you better, but it's still a good thing. I just don't want anyone to get me wrong

[JynxDaddy]

Hey guys im really poor and my computer is really crappy I gotta have a desk fan on it when I play any game, so please send money to PO BOX 3456, melbourne, victoria, 3193, Australia.

thank you, and god bless.

[Defrag]

Um, since when did donating money to the tsunami appeal have anything to do with the way you're perceived on tha_intraweb? The two things are enirely seperate -- I'm inclined to think you're trolling. If you have to go around telling people you donated then you probably donated for the wrong reasons anyway.

You should've closed your initial post with the line "BUT IM A NICE GUY IRL WHY DO U ALL HATE ME?". If we only get to see the facade you put on while posting then that's all we have to judge you by -- it's not rocket science.

[Skjalg]

besides, acting weird over the net, and then come and post this crap where you state that we should all love you because you have donated to the victims down there. Which basicly implies you didnt donate to help, you donated so people would like you more.

thats low.

[kleinluka]

Yeah I'm pretty sure he made a donation so Skjalg from Mapcore likes him more.

Sigh.

I'm done with this topic.

[ReNo]

Why do people have to read into why people donate? The money is going out and helping people, motives for giving aren't really important in the grand scheme of things. It won't make any difference to how useful the money is so why the hell is it an issue?

[DanielAragon]

ty reno