Dahell is happening in Kiev

[Pericolos0]

Don't fire people over their political opinions lol, that's not gonna help you in your quest to join europe.

 

More pics of Yanukovych's compound: http://zyalt.livejournal.com/1007568.html

 

hope someone is taking care of the animals

[D3ads]

It's official, Yanukovich has been removed via coup;

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26304842

 

Now waiting to see what the US position will be on this, since they have this law where they don't have relations with countries where the leaders are removed via coups... they seemed to "forget" that one though when Egypt's Morsi got taken out....

 

I need to go through my sources to find out more in depth, since I've been out of the loop the last two days due to lack of time...

Edited February 22, 2014 by D3ads

[Sentura]

Don't fire people over their political opinions lol, that's not gonna help you in your quest to join europe.

 

More pics of Yanukovych's compound: http://zyalt.livejournal.com/1007568.html

 

hope someone is taking care of the animals

 

lol whenever I see these palaces in poor countries, I always think how silly it is to have a mansion when you live in the middle of a junkyard...

[Minos]

I've been watching some videos about this, and it is a much more complex situation than I initially thought. Here's a good interview that sheds some light into it:

[El Moroes]

Don't fire people over their political opinions lol, that's not gonna help you in your quest to join europe.

 

More pics of Yanukovych's compound: http://zyalt.livejournal.com/1007568.html

 

hope someone is taking care of the animals

 

 

Holy sh*** o_O That's crazy ! 

Yup Minos, it's much more complicated than all we can think about this situation. Thank for your video.

[D3ads]

I've been watching some videos about this, and it is a much more complex situation than I initially thought. Here's a good interview that sheds some light into it:

 

Pretty much spot on. Russia is not so fussed about Ukraine joining the EU so long as their trade deals with Ukraine are not effected. However there is no way on Earth that Russia will allow Ukraine to join NATO, there's already enough tension with the baltic countries in the treaty bordering federal states and Russia will not allow herself to be encircled. West needs to understand that Ukraine as an independent state has had a very short history, with most of the current territory having been gifted from Imperial Russia and the USSR. Russia will always have legtimate interests and status within Ukraine.

 

Anyway, the situation for Russia hasn't turned out so bad. Tymoshenko released with a potential to be the president can be very good for Russia, since her relations with Putin were quite healthy (including the signing of the deal with led to her power abuse charges). Even if the new government is somewhat anti-Russia, given the past semi-decent relationship with Yukashenko's presidency even when he was selling arms to the Georgians during the war in South Ossetia, anything's possible.

 

Still... there is a lingering doubt as to the future of the nation given the obvious split between the country. Crimea is now considering the option of succeeding and joining up with Russia, several other Eastern parts such as Kharkiv have voiced objections over the events. A split of the country would fuck the economic situation completely, all of the major industries are in the East, imports/exports, fuels etc reside heavily in Donetsk, Dnipropetrovsk and other cities close to the border with Russia. I wouldn't say that there is an end to the crisis just yet, Viktor or no Viktor...

 

 

You're making a lot of valid points but painting a bleak picture for the Ukraine's prospects of joining the EU in the future by refering to Turkey's state in the negotation talks is ludicrous. Turkey has its own set of problems and you know that, I'm sure. For the records here's a list of countries who have succesfully joined the EU in the past 30 years:

 

Spain, Portugal, East Germany and West Berlin join to form Germany, Austria, Sweden, Finland, Malta, Cyprus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania and Croatia.

 

At the end of the day, as a part of the EU or not, the Ukrainian people have a right to an unbiased court system. TBH I don't know how rampant corruption is though or if this is an exaggeration to fuel the fire. I'm definitely for obeying the democratic process as long as the elections aren't rigged. It's still hard for me to understand what got these protesters so fired up. Is Janukowitsch really selling the Ukraine out to Russia for personal enrichment? 

 

 

You're missing the point there, sure many countries have joined the EU in the last 30 years... but Turkey is one of those countries that the EU has teased about membership over and over, which is where I see the same situation with Ukraine in some ways... the possibility of trade agreements by signing the Association Agreement, yet no concrete statements that Ukraine can actually join the EU...

 

As for corruption, yeah it definately exists, but Yanukovich didn't become the start of that, previous governments and facilities have been drenched in corruption as well, post Orange revolution Yukashenko included. The Oligarchs drive a lot of the politicial situations in Ukraine, like in Russia during the Yeltsin years (which Putin sacked 15 years ago) hence Ukraine has far more corruption today than Russia does.

 

I think that the people in Western Ukraine clearly don´t want to be Putins bitches. Who tha hell can blame them?

The most disturbing thing is the snipers picking of people without any guns. People that try to rescue others. Sick fucking bastards.

 

Fixed for you... a lot of it derives from the anti-Russian sentiment that's focused on false history and the denial of any Russian influence within Ukraine to the point where some will swear that no one in the West speaks Russian (most Ukrainians throughout the country can speak Russian as a second language even if they don't do so) and that the nazi "liberation" of Ukraine from the SS was a good thing because communism was so much more worse. Some of the West would love to break off from the East part to become their own nation but can't (for aforementioned reasons about economy).

 

As for use of live ammo on protesters... it's not black and white... There were snipers shooting at police lines from buildings before it happened;

 

 

Police took causalties including one fatality before the order was given to use live rounds. Honestly it's horrible what happened, but you have to ask yourself why protesters with shields would keep advancing to the police position when they were warned to get back constantly... Still, RIP to the dead.

 

NSFL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DipJOV01Pr4

 

It is believed (but not proven, an investigation will have to be made) that the Svoboda (right-wing nationalist party with neo-nazi links) idiots destroying the building there fired rounds to shoot out the windows and hit the girl in the process

 

Welcome to Europe!

 

Ukrainian games development company "Vostok Games"(project Survaruim) firing people, who not supporting euro-maidan.

 

That's bullshit and a good way to fuck yourself and the game's development in one go...

Edited February 22, 2014 by D3ads

[Vilham]

Deads if you could stop pretending your some badass Russian, that would be great.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously.

[D3ads]

I'm not pretending to be a "badass Russian", I'm talking about the situation in Ukraine since I know a lot about the area and also know Russians and Ukrainians from various areas.

 

How about you contribute to the discussion instead of trolling.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously.

 

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In other news Oleh Tyahnybok (leader of Svboda) is proposing to outlaw the Russian language, for Ukraine to have nuclear weapons and an arms treaty with the US..  probably also wants to cleanse jews from Ukraine too, given his party's ideology... so much for "moderate opposition".

Edited February 23, 2014 by D3ads

[Sentura]

The reason Turkey hasn't been accepted into the EU is because they have problems with accepting basic human rights - in more than just a few instances.

[Pampers]

In other news Oleh Tyahnybok (leader of Svboda) is proposing to outlaw the Russian language, for Ukraine to have nuclear weapons and an arms treaty with the US..  probably also wants to cleanse jews from Ukraine too, given his party's ideology... so much for "moderate opposition".

How many of the protester does he and his party represent?

[r1ar]

The reason Turkey hasn't been accepted into the EU is because they have problems with accepting basic human rights - in more than just a few instances.

 

Also,

 

Turks, who wants to be in Europe already in EU today - Germany, England etc.

Edited February 23, 2014 by r1ar

[Vilham]

The reason Turkey hasn't been accepted into the EU is because they have problems with accepting basic human rights - in more than just a few instances.

Indeed, the fact that they won't admit to the kurdish genocide is pretty much the main reason.

[D3ads]

The reason Turkey hasn't been accepted into the EU is because they have problems with accepting basic human rights - in more than just a few instances.

 

You're right, Erdogan's government has breached human rights in many quarters, especially being the nation that has jailed the most journalists in the world. Still, the EU is ignoring abuses in their own member states, The baltic nations for instance have oppressed and denied the rights of Russians who live in Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. They are classed as non-citizens, they have no rights to vote, the Russian language is highly imposed on and they face daily descrimination at work and general hostility in daily life. Minority Serbs in Croatia in the former Krajina areas like Vukovar are destriminated against too, many of those that once lived in the area but were forced to leave after Operation Storm have been denied the right to return and the European Court Of Human Rights has refused to be involved, stating it has no juristiction over the government's practices. Point is, EU turns a blind eye to human rights abuses if it's not in their "interests", for whatever reason.

 

 

 

In other news Oleh Tyahnybok (leader of Svboda) is proposing to outlaw the Russian language, for Ukraine to have nuclear weapons and an arms treaty with the US..  probably also wants to cleanse jews from Ukraine too, given his party's ideology... so much for "moderate opposition".

How many of the protester does he and his party represent?

 

 

Hard to say, they have a lot of bases around the country and they're one of the five major parties active in Ukraine, but their support mostly comes from Western Ukraine where the anti-Russian "Slava Ukrayini!" sentiment is high, hence the reason for some the divisions that exist.

 

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The reason Turkey hasn't been accepted into the EU is because they have problems with accepting basic human rights - in more than just a few instances.

Indeed, the fact that they won't admit to the kurdish genocide is pretty much the main reason.

 

 

You mean the Armenian genocide, surely?

Edited February 23, 2014 by D3ads

[ng.aniki]

NSFL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIR5irZV8gw

Just found this.. This is sick... Shooting on someone trying to remove injured with bright orange stretcher.

I hope that once all this gets quiet, people will be prosecuted for their crimes(on both sides).

[Vilham]

 

 

 

The reason Turkey hasn't been accepted into the EU is because they have problems with accepting basic human rights - in more than just a few instances.

Indeed, the fact that they won't admit to the kurdish genocide is pretty much the main reason.

 

 

You mean the Armenian genocide, surely?

Sorry yeah, Armenian is the main one, Kurdish genocide is another.