Dahell is happening in Kiev

[r1ar]

Very fucking funny!

 

1. The Ukraine is a poor country, what she can give EU? Ukrainian production can't compete with the German or any Europe production. Ukraine have only charcoal.

 

2. Europenian migration policy inside of EU is problem for Ukraine too. Banderas(followers of Stepan Bandera - man who helped third reich to kill soviet people, like Russian, Belorussian and ect.), who shooting in police officers today not need any turks or any muslims in their country. It's Aggressive nationalists - modern German neo-nazi on background just a pussy. Banderas learning to kill people.

 

3. Europe integration is no interesting for ukrainian nationalists, they just against Russia and any another nationality, slovenian or not - ideology.

 

 

 

D3ads after EU integration she will be just another slovenian prostitute on a Frankfurt streets and you know it.

[Buddy]

• Location:Moskow

[r1ar]

Buddy

 

And? I'm half Ukrainian and I know about Ukraine more then you. Your conclusions are based only information in the news.

Edited February 21, 2014 by r1ar

[Tisky]

I think that the people in Ukraine clearly don´t want to be Putins bitches. Who tha hell can blame them?

The most disturbing thing is the snipers picking of people without any guns. People that try to rescue others. Sick fucking bastards.

[KoKo5oVaR]

Makes you wonder how difficult it is to get an unbiased and omniscient view of social reality when i don't even know what's going on in the house of my neighbour

[knj]

I don't like to make any comments about what is happening back there, cause it is VERY complex topic. That girl i've posted before (i hope you got that) was a decoy, and it was just a good PR of the opposition IMO.
As for the civil war, as soon as the first shots vere fired (from both sides) this shit got a WAR title. Srsly fucked up situation there. Remember Militia (police) they got theirs orders and they need to try to keep the city safe (its not like 110% of Kiev is out there trowing shit at them). On the other side, there was a peaceful demonstration that turned into crazy crowd of ppl with live ammo !
Me, and my eastern friends know how we are. We like shit like that, we like to be aggressive, and i'm SURE most of protesters and doing what they are doing now, becouse they like it and not for the CAUSE.


And once again, if we are not there, just watching the news, reading papers headers, WE DONT KNOW SHIT !

Edited February 21, 2014 by knj

[Thrik]

I think that the people in Ukraine clearly don´t want to be Putins bitches. Who tha hell can blame them?

The most disturbing thing is the snipers picking of people without any guns. People that try to rescue others. Sick fucking bastards.

 

Ugh... that's happening?

[knj]

yes, there is a vid showing that, but it MIGHT be out of context, media can make a shit look like gold

Edited February 21, 2014 by knj

[knj]

"civilians"

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=34e_1392746107

still, i'm not taking sides here, but it's not black and white Edited February 21, 2014 by knj

[Tisky]

Both sides are wrong to use live ammo, but all in all, this is handled very poorly by the goverment imo.

Swedish journalists on site reported that they were caught in sniper-fire. An unarmed peaceful old man got shot in the head. Why why why. One sniper is more fearful than one hundred police officers. Just saying.

[KoKo5oVaR]

NSFL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DipJOV01Pr4

 

When things like that are happening, it's like throwing oil on fire, the only way to get things calm is for the Ukrainian government to resign, you don't extinguish fire by fire. But i guess now it's too late, maybe they don't resign because the government members have now too much to answer to. And they know what will happen of them if they have to be judged in court by the population and especially their rivals.

 

edit : but as knj said, it's impossible to know, we just do speculations for our own distraction, and even though you are there in the ukrainian streets, you don't know a thing.

 

And there is this quote i like in the prince of machiavel

 

 

When the duke occupied the Romagna he found it under the rule of weak masters, who rather plundered their subjects than ruled them, and gave them more cause for disunion than for union, so that the country was full of robbery, quarrels, and every kind of violence; and so, wishing to bring back peace and obedience to authority, he considered it necessary to give it a good governor. Thereupon he promoted Messer Ramiro d'Orco,(*) a swift and cruel man, to whom he gave the fullest power. This man in a short time restored peace and unity with the greatest success. Afterwards the duke considered that it was not advisable to confer such excessive authority, for he had no doubt but that he would become odious, so he set up a court of judgment in the country, under a most excellent president, wherein all cities had their advocates. And because he knew that the past severity had caused some hatred against himself, so, to clear himself in the minds of the people, and gain them entirely to himself, he desired to show that, if any cruelty had been practised, it had not originated with him, but in the natural sternness of the minister. Under this pretence he took Ramiro, and one morning caused him to be executed and left on the piazza at Cesena with the block and a bloody knife at his side. The barbarity of this spectacle caused the people to be at once satisfied and dismayed.

[Thrik]

NSFL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DipJOV01Pr4

 

When things like that are happening, it's like throwing oil on fire, the only way to get things calm is for the Ukrainian government to resign, you don't extinguish fire by fire. But i guess now it's too late, maybe they don't resign because the government members have now too much to answer to. And they know what will happen of them if they have to be judged in court by the population and especially their rivals.

 

edit : but as knj said, it's impossible to know, we just do speculations for our own distraction, and even though you are there in the ukrainian streets, you don't know a thing.

 

And there is this quote i like in the prince of machiavel

 

 

When the duke occupied the Romagna he found it under the rule of weak masters, who rather plundered their subjects than ruled them, and gave them more cause for disunion than for union, so that the country was full of robbery, quarrels, and every kind of violence; and so, wishing to bring back peace and obedience to authority, he considered it necessary to give it a good governor. Thereupon he promoted Messer Ramiro d'Orco,(*) a swift and cruel man, to whom he gave the fullest power. This man in a short time restored peace and unity with the greatest success. Afterwards the duke considered that it was not advisable to confer such excessive authority, for he had no doubt but that he would become odious, so he set up a court of judgment in the country, under a most excellent president, wherein all cities had their advocates. And because he knew that the past severity had caused some hatred against himself, so, to clear himself in the minds of the people, and gain them entirely to himself, he desired to show that, if any cruelty had been practised, it had not originated with him, but in the natural sternness of the minister. Under this pretence he took Ramiro, and one morning caused him to be executed and left on the piazza at Cesena with the block and a bloody knife at his side. The barbarity of this spectacle caused the people to be at once satisfied and dismayed.

 

Ugh... my word.

[Dejavo]

"Swedish journalists". Allow me to lol. There is no such thing. EU bias is huge in all bodies of power and media in Sweden and much of western europe.

 

This situation really fascinates me. I think Russia has its shit together on a whole other level than EU at the moment. Approval of EU is hitting new lows all the time in eu-country polls. The euro strangles the less competitive economies and boost german exports. People are fed up with Schengen (free movement of people within EU), especially in britain and france, and Schweiz recently voted to opt out from schengen and is now being punished by eu-bureaucrats for it.

 

I don't think that pro-eu protestors know what they're asking for. I'd go for Russia/neutral if it was my decision.

 

I'm not trying to defend the ukrainian government or the use of force. I know to little to take sides like that.

Edited February 21, 2014 by Dejavo

[El Moroes]

The "ex" (?) Ukrainian president has a nice private collection - a zoo, a galeon, a old cars collection... waw !

 

 

> http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-5-yanukovych-topples/#1345

[r1ar]

Welcome to Europe!

 

Ukrainian games development company "Vostok Games"(project Survaruim) firing people, who not supporting euro-maidan.

 

 

 

 

 

Today was fired  lead community mamanger Denis Ananiev, for publication on his personal blog information about the anti-maidan. In the office begins repressions.

 

Before the Vostok Games he works on Blizzard France. Vostok games was founded by few developers from GSC Game World(who made the STALKER).

Edited February 22, 2014 by r1ar