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On 4/22/2019 at 5:03 AM, FMPONE said:

played vertigo today. couldn't bear to play cs studying, but today I indulged. vertigo rocks tbh. learned a lot

How?

i feel that if “the best of vertigo” are lol clips, it’s not really viable for pro-matches

I’ve been wondering if Astralis have been skipping the big tournaments because they are preparing this map…

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More changes to vertigo. Also congrats @catfood for getting yet another creation featured in the game: this time is Ruby. Hope will soon get to Comp. I don’t understand tho why they’ve already removed Abbey: it’s a very fun map but was quite hard to get to play it in standard matchmaking. Nothing against Workout, but don’t see the relevance of CS maps nowadays, and why are they even available in comp mode.

 

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26 minutes ago, blackdog said:

More changes to vertigo. Also congrats @catfood for getting yet another creation featured in the game: this time is Ruby. Hope will soon get to Comp. I don’t understand tho why they’ve already removed Abbey: it’s a very fun map but was quite hard to get to play it in standard matchmaking. Nothing against Workout, but don’t see the relevance of CS maps nowadays, and why are they even available in comp mode.

 

More importantly, why was zoo the map that got to stay? That seemed to have the lowest playtime of all 3 maps.

 

Also good hostage maps make it into match making because they are fun to a large number of people hence the crowd of people that are still begging for Italy and Assault to be added back to match making. Nobody is ever going to ask for Office to be in the Active Duty pool, but it stills a fun map and the MM pool would worse off without it.

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On 4/27/2019 at 12:30 AM, blackdog said:

I don’t understand tho why they’ve already removed Abbey: it’s a very fun map but was quite hard to get to play it in standard matchmaking.

Seems like they stick to the 3 months cycle. In my opinion too short. As soon as players have learnt a map and you (the map creator) are able to improve it, it's gone already...

On 4/27/2019 at 12:30 AM, blackdog said:

Nothing against Workout, but don’t see the relevance of CS maps nowadays, and why are they even available in comp mode.

I don't think that the game mode is the problem. It's just that there is not a single map that is good enough. Most of them are just completely imbalanced, or were created when essential game mechanics just didn't exist yet (smokes, molotov etc...). Maybe cs_workout will do better.

On 4/27/2019 at 12:52 AM, fewseb said:

More importantly, why was zoo the map that got to stay? That seemed to have the lowest playtime of all 3 maps.

They (Valve) just look at the play time (all game modes together) and the two maps which are played most stay, the other 2 drop out.

For me (may differ on higher/lower skill rating) zoo had the shortest queue time of those three defusal maps most of the time, closely followed by abbey. But that's just competitive matchmaking. There is also deathmatch, arms race etc. which seem to matter as well after all.

 

Btw I would love to see some community Wingman maps being added. The currently playable maps are mostly pretty bad imo...

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16 minutes ago, Radix said:

They (Valve) just look at the play time (all game modes together) and the two maps which are played most stay, the other 2 drop out.

For me (may differ on higher/lower skill rating) zoo had the shortest queue time of those three defusal maps most of the time, closely followed by abbey. But that's just competitive matchmaking. There is also deathmatch, arms race etc. which seem to matter as well after all.

Arms race doesnt use regular maps, also they only cycle 3 maps not 4. Even though Agency is in the game and in MM, it doesnt seem to be counted for the 3 month cycle which is fair, considering it took 4 operations for it to get a semi-permanent place in the game.

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40 minutes ago, fewseb said:

Arms race doesnt use regular maps

🤣 Next time I will have to think at least for a second before I write something.

So basically comp + casual + deathmatch.

40 minutes ago, fewseb said:

they only cycle 3 maps not 4. Even though Agency is in the game and in MM, it doesnt seem to be counted for the 3 month cycle which is fair, considering it took 4 operations for it to get a semi-permanent place in the game.

Not 100% sure about this. Maybe workout will replace agency in case more players play it.

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21 minutes ago, Radix said:

🤣 Next time I will have to think at least for a second before I write something.

So basically comp + casual + deathmatch.

Not 100% sure about this. Maybe workout will replace agency in case more players play it.

Yeah but then workout would have actually replaced Agency, maybe next cycle will be -Agency +defuse map, but for now it seems Agency is immune from removal.

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Anyone tried it? I’m decorating the kitchen, which is the only room I can temporarily use the computer, so the table is too messy and I couldn’t be arsed to tidy up just to play last night.

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I think we need more maps like Agency if they are going to keep the hostage maps in mm. It is competitive, fun, has modern graphics, and is optimized. On the flip side, office is full of dead space and littered with angles outside, not fun to beginners (and even some like me who know it inside out), and looks like it was ported without any change from source. To make it a contender, they would have to rethink the art (it is pretty much all glum office space), remove the snipers nests, remove the dead space like near snowman, and reduce the number of angles to make them controllable. I feel like it has no potential to be fun to me because the layout is so stale, but these changes might help.

In terms of defusal I'm glad that Cobblestone was removed because there was no way to hide your actions effectively as a T without overusing utility.

Im also happy to see Cache go because it is another stale layout. You can run to A from T without a single change in elevation. Not just some, but literally every chokepoint is an "L" shape in essence. 

Zoo is a strong layout, but I believe the aquarium art could use some work to make areas more distinct, and the area around the monkey enclosure could make the areas where you can and can't go more obvious.

Ruby is also interesting as well as a beautiful map so it will be cool to see how it plays in comp. 

Removing antiquated maps with stale layouts and replacing them with new ideas is the way to go!

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38 minutes ago, blackdog said:

Anyone tried it? I’m decorating the kitchen, which is the only room I can temporarily use the computer, so the table is too messy and I couldn’t be arsed to tidy up just to play last night.

If you liked Blacksite, youll probably like Sirocco, its essentially everything that was good or bad about Blacksites design dialed up to a 11. All those multi room buildings around the edges of the island in blacksite are now several small one room huts with a single entrance and a tiny grenade hole in sirocco.

The military base and its sprawling tunnels leading to empty courtyards are now a Kasbah that it self is a maze to navigate with an entire labyrinth of rat tunnels beneath it that could exit on any side of the island.

That grass area with no cover in between the edge and the center of the island that was pretty hard to traverse, well now its double the length and half the time there is no grass to hide in.

The super Mario boots arnt that useful considering if you poke your head up regularly youll just get sniped, now you're just a target thats higher up

The bump mines are cool, but nobody has used them offensively yet. They arnt that useful as an offensive tool either, since the parachute just lets you negate fall damage and is no longer a 1 time use item. Other items havnt released yet, but I imagine the shield is going to be a huge meme.

The respawn is nice, but also kind of sucks because people will just take pot shots at you while your stuck swinging down the helicopter.

Also since guns spawn with more ammo now, less of the game involves hunting down ammo crates and hoarding it from your squad mate.

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8 hours ago, Interfearance said:

I think we need more maps like Agency if they are going to keep the hostage maps in mm. It is competitive, fun, has modern graphics, and is optimized. On the flip side, office is full of dead space and littered with angles outside, not fun to beginners (and even some like me who know it inside out), and looks like it was ported without any change from source. To make it a contender, they would have to rethink the art (it is pretty much all glum office space), remove the snipers nests, remove the dead space like near snowman, and reduce the number of angles to make them controllable. I feel like it has no potential to be fun to me because the layout is so stale, but these changes might help.

Do you think they'll ever redesign office? Hostage maps aren't played competitively and office suffers from a 2/3 T-sidedness IIRC. I like the theme of the map. but not so much the execution. If they do revamp it I think it's likely it'll spend ages out of the game like Aztec has, though.

 

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