terror hits norway in 2 places

[syver]

wasn't he a member of the nazi party? and aren't those kinds of people still very common in norway? (i mean white supremacists, not crazy gunmen)

no it's not common. and no, he wasn't nazi. he disliked nazism and called it a hate ideology.

thanks to the media, we know everything he wants us to know. he's probably very happy right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9jn_qUXtMk

[-HP-]

Curious why the news always insists on showing every picture of the villain and a full bio yet the hundreds of innocent victims remain nameless and without any qualities. Reading the article it sounded more like the island was the victim rather than all those kids/people. Seems the media sucks the world over.

See this comment on the webs, and I agree.

[e-freak]

insta - sorry to hear about your family's loss I hope the rest of your friends up there are ok!

":3dx8rbng]

Curious why the news always insists on showing every picture of the villain and a full bio yet the hundreds of innocent victims remain nameless and without any qualities. Reading the article it sounded more like the island was the victim rather than all those kids/people. Seems the media sucks the world over.

See this comment on the webs, and I agree.

Absolutely true, that we put too much emphasize on the murderer. On the other hand, we can't showcase the victims either. Society should remember them but not make them into cult-figures there every last bit of their facebook profiles is analyzed by tabloids.

[kleinluka]

I took the morning to go through some of his ~1500 page manifesto that he has been writing for the last 3 years in preparation for the attack. It's pretty chilling to read with what kind of surgical precision he managed to conceal his true personality in the years leading up to the attack and also the preparation and planning he put into this....

Here is a link: http://hotfile.com/dl/124843184/2315d8e ... .docx.html

[Chimeray]

It's completely messed up, but I like the statements of some of the survivors from the island massacre, that actions by cowards like this shouldn't dictate how our society will be in the future. Seemingly someone from my fathers side of the family got killed in the explosion, I haven't heard from all my friends in Oslo yet, but it's a relatively small city, so I'm sure this affects many people throughout Norway

A lot of people have been impacted by this. Horrible :/

[mjens]

This guy was just a few streets near the explosion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S225ga2hzpA

[D3ads]

So sorry for your family's loss Insta

It seems the media are doing exactly what this guy wanted in the first place, this event will be immortalised through him. When you look at the events going on with The News Of The World and the phone-hacking incidents in my country... it makes you think that perhaps the world press have too much power...

[st0lve]

Sorry for your loss Insta.

I've been in Oslo since late Friday, I was called on duty in the Home Guard. I've been touched by so many people doing so many good things over the weekend, that I'm sure we'll come out even stronger.

For all our children’s sake,

Save it, defend it,

Pay any price you must,

They shall not end it.

- Nordahl Grieg, Til Ungdommen (To the youth)

[Sentura]

sorry for your loss, insta.

[Taylor]

Sorry to hear about everyone affected by this.

wasn't he a member of the nazi party? and aren't those kinds of people still very common in norway? (i mean white supremacists, not crazy gunmen)

no it's not common. and no, he wasn't nazi. he disliked nazism and called it a hate ideology.

thanks to the media, we know everything he wants us to know. he's probably very happy right now.

He's done an article on this specifically.

Charlie Brooker: The news coverage of the Norway mass-killings was fact-free conjecture

[Thrik]

Yeah, gotta say this is incredibly tragic. That picture on the first page of this thread showing the victims put down like hunted animals was so chilling and brought to life just how horrific 80–90 people being shot dead in a relatively small space is, especially when they're just normal teens there to have a good time (about the same age as my sister, too young to have done anything to anyone).

The worst part is that he specifically targeted youths. I mean, that is so cowardly and lacking any kind of meaning — although it does an excellent job of instilling terror, which I guess is the point. Apparently his killing spree lasted an hour and a half. I mean, fuck. Just imagining how it must have felt to be in those peoples' shoes during that period of time is awful: hearing the shots, seeing your friends being picked off one by one, knowing there's nowhere to run and that he's going to take his time hunting you down. I mean, what the fuck goes through your mind?

I think the only silver lining is that the fucker didn't kill himself, because now he can at least explain his reasons rather than being yet another madman who committed an atrocity and then killed himself before anyone could ask why. But with the country's law apparently only allowing him to be imprisoned for like 20 years, I seriously hope they have a way of working around that because the thought of him ever walking the Earth again is frightening.

The manifesto is a very interesting revelation, shedding some real light on just how simultaneously crazy yet ingenious he was. Nobody saw it coming, and he planned it in such a way nobody could respond before he'd pretty much done everything he wanted to do. Here's a gaming-related snippet:

"F[or] example, tell them that you have started to play World of Warcraft or any other online MMO game and that you wish to focus on this for the next months/year," Breivik writes. "This "new project" can justify isolation and people will understand somewhat why you are not answering your phone over long periods. Tell them that you are completely hooked on the game (raiding dungeons etc)."

Naturally he used this time to visit gun-friendly countries so he could practice for long periods of time without arousing suspicion, to purchase hardware, to plan his strategy, etc. Basically he mastered the art of massacring a huge number of innocent youngsters — the fact that he put so much time and thought into it is scary. The ultimate pre-meditated murder.

[kleinluka]

I think even if he does get released in 20 years he won't last long before somebody hunts *his* ass down.

However, in his manifesto he mentioned that his main priority after getting arrested would be to try and escape from custody and launch a secondary attack with armor and weaponry he buried at another secret location.

[Izuno]

wow crazy how many mapcorians have direct/indirect connections to Oslo where the bomb went off. Sorry to hear about your loss, Insta. Also am glad at least that others got out safe and esp w/child... as a father myself you have no idea how glad to hear that part. The whole event is chilling...

[mjens]

I think even if he does get released in 20 years he won't last long before somebody hunts *his* ass down.

I hope so, the best scenario is a lockup for a life time but there are stories that crazy people with adjudications could just walk free: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa

[st0lve]

The normal max jailtime is 21 years, then you can get additional 10 years at the time with a review.

My knowitalllawstudentbrother says that there is a special terrorism law which would make it possible to give him 31 + additional time.

This monster will not get make it past the curb if he is released alive.