The Iraq War: 7 Years and still not done

[Skjalg]

It's war, and crappy stuff happens all the time. Hell, it even happens all the time when there isn't a war.

You say that like that makes it okay. I think the whole idea here is that this very thing is not

[Sentura]

It's war, and crappy stuff happens all the time. Hell, it even happens all the time when there isn't a war.

You say that like that makes it okay. I think the whole idea here is that this very thing is not

but why not? this is what we were designed for. life is a constant battle, and i'm sure you've had disputes with different people. peaceful times brings frustration to people, war lets them loose. i am, however, not okaying the entire iraq conflict over this though. personally i think it (as well as anything else the US has put their military eye on recently) is unnecessary.

[Skjalg]

lol.

[Sindwiller]

peaceful times brings frustration to people, war lets them loose.

That is a subaverage intellectual statement, something I wouldn't expect from you, Sentura :/

[⌐■_■]

It's sick, but none of you saw any firearms, firearms-like items? I still believe I saw 2 AKs and at least 1 RPG. It's really easy to sit here and scream bloody murder, child molesters and what not I've seen over the last days with this, but I doubt that anyone else here would have acted differently if you had to be in that situation (as a soldier, not a hippie or goth).

And it's so major lulz when they zoom in on the kids in the truck, have anyone seen those screens? They do not have subtitles or a zoom function like CSI Miami.

It's war, and crappy stuff happens all the time. Hell, it even happens all the time when there isn't a war.

dux, it's a kneepad...

you changed

[Sentura]

peaceful times brings frustration to people, war lets them loose.

That is a subaverage intellectual statement, something I wouldn't expect from you, Sentura :/

i don't care what you think about the statement, because it's the sad truth. people want war (albeit perhaps in a more tribal way), the same way people want to argue or create challanges, for the same reasons. the reason we're still seeing so much war, hatred, etc. is because it is in our nature, and it is how we cope with how mundane and trivial our lives have become.

[Taylor]

Well that's alright then.

[Chunks]

In regards to this video, this situation sucks all-around. I don't think these WO's legally broke ROE, but if they had a brain they would've known better. I'm sure they where fresh out of rucker and were looking to 'play metal gear for real'... Having said that, this doesn't necessarily fall on their shoulders, as an officer cleared them to fire... What I would like to know is if he was in the air/had a visual feed or if he was just relying on verbal confirmation of a threat.

[Sindwiller]

peaceful times brings frustration to people, war lets them loose.

That is a subaverage intellectual statement, something I wouldn't expect from you, Sentura :/

i don't care what you think about the statement, because it's the sad truth. people want war (albeit perhaps in a more tribal way), the same way people want to argue or create challanges, for the same reasons. the reason we're still seeing so much war, hatred, etc. is because it is in our nature, and it is how we cope with how mundane and trivial our lives have become.

You know, your first statement would've made sense if you were referring to ancient times, when "war" was either about fighting over the best fields to cultivate or there were just a bunch of young men assaulting a town for fun, beating each other a bit with swords and stuff, just for the thrill. Just like young men today engage in senseless brawls (hooligans) or do other, less violent stuff to cope with frustration or to release/reduce their aggressions. It's simply an outlet. That doesn't mean that violence, and war with all the suffering and damage it creates in particular, is a part of human nature. I don't see how it even can be a way of expressing displeasure against powerlessness or whatever. War nowadays is the exploitation of common men in favour of the interests of few. If peace really did bring frustration to people - as a socialogical rule - we would've had several wars here in Europe in the last 50 years.

[Sentura]

That doesn't mean that violence, and war with all the suffering and damage it creates in particular, is a part of human nature.

how is it not part of our nature? look at our history, we've had war since the beginning of time; and even then, it's not just been us. look the the relationship between animal species, especially primates. don't you think if we were supposed to not have wars/conflicts, we wouldn't have them in the first place? things don't just mysteriously appear out of nowhere, and neither does conflict.

[Taylor]

Here's some photos from the "Crisis in Kyrgyzstan." Didn't want to create a new thread. Be warned that the hidden pictures are dead people.

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/0 ... zstan.html

[Sindwiller]

look at our history, we've had war since the beginning of time;

Since the beginning of agriculture and land seizure actually, if one wants to believe Daniel Quinn. Which really does explain a lot.

and even then, it's not just been us. look the the relationship between animal species, especially primates. don't you think if we were supposed to not have wars/conflicts, we wouldn't have them in the first place? things don't just mysteriously appear out of nowhere, and neither does conflict.

Of course, I don't deny that. However violence is not a natural, instinct-driven imperative like the sex drive for example. Violence can be avoided, conflicts can be resolved otherwise.

[Sentura]

look at our history, we've had war since the beginning of time;

Since the beginning of agriculture and land seizure actually, if one wants to believe Daniel Quinn. Which really does explain a lot.

and even then, it's not just been us. look the the relationship between animal species, especially primates. don't you think if we were supposed to not have wars/conflicts, we wouldn't have them in the first place? things don't just mysteriously appear out of nowhere, and neither does conflict.

Of course, I don't deny that. However violence is not a natural, instinct-driven imperative like the sex drive for example. Violence can be avoided, conflicts can be resolved otherwise.

they can, but at a loss of stimuli and an increase of frustration. i'm not saying you can't avert conflict in a peaceful manner, i'm just saying we weren't built for that. we also take much more energy and conscious thinking to resolve a conflict in a non-violent manner than a violent. so yes, it is in our nature. we want the stimuli. we want violence.

and we've had conflict before agriculture.

[st0lve]

you changed

Yeah. You realize some stuff when your friends are being fired at by scumbags.

Oh btw., Wikileaks edited out some parts of that video... The missing parts are up on Liveleak or some other page. Guess what the "missing" parts show?

Yea...

[chrish4161]

":186jclnm]http://www.totallycrap.com/galleries/gallery_the_iraq_war_7_years_and_still_not_done/

Some sensitive material, but great pics.

Well iraq war was a sad incident in all over the world and the effects of that war was remain till the current date. Actually this is the wrong decision of the American government to take a war with the iraq. Saddam Husain was the enemy and they punish whole Iraq. That was not good.