WIP in WIP, post your level screenshots!

narby · April 7, 2009

Albatros":2ma029b7]Thanks Narby for pointing that out again.

As you said, you're marking some "typical" lines of collapsing walls there.

I also do get your point and I do know that the typical line has to be the
guideline in most of the places in a map. But I don't think it's that much
of a contradiction to use bricks the way I do, taking your images as
example...

Seriously, I don't think this is leading anywhere.

P.S.: Basically, I can fix that one line, and it does need at least to have
that gap closed, that much I admit . But there's always a why, why *that*
particular set of bricks might have an additional support, and why *this*
wall-bit looks out of place... it's just a matter of spotting it, accepting it
as possible and leaving the rest to the author, as long as it's not totally
out of place. My opinion, but I'll stick with it for now.

Cheers,

Til

I think the problem becomes much more apparent when you have a seam of bricks that then have a row missing below which gives the impression the remainder are floating which is made worse by the face the bricks are quite large in size so they tend to stick out a bit more. At the end of the day, this is harmless feedback that you can take or leave, but the fact is it stuck out to a few people and looked odd on an otherwise impressive building.

Albatros · April 7, 2009

Hey again,

yeah, there have been pros and cons, and, frankly, I did show those shots around

on lots of communities and - as always -, opinions were very much divided.

I'll pass those first bricks a piece of supporting wall for the next compile so the gap

(which is what you refer to as the missing row of bricks, that kind of "floating" effect)

is closed and there's some downwards-curving in the bricks, but I don't think this'll

change that much. The missing row of bricks, that I can understand and it needs fixing;

but as for the normal collapsing wall of bricks that looks just like "cut off", I know it's

a thing that just simply exists, even though it may look odd at first.

@Sentura:

I already answered that on the last page. I'm always glad about useful feedback, but

for this particular discussion, please check my last postings again and you'll find that I

did in fact give this problem a lot of thought and I've come to a conclusion over the past

six or seven years. If it's not the bricks, then it's something else that stirrs up the same

kind of discussion where people have a tendency to either like or dislike a feature/detail,

sometimes with good reasons on both sides. That's no arrogance of mine by refusing to

take advice, not at all , and I really don't want to be misunderstood there.

Cheers,

Til

propaganda · April 7, 2009

CJ, I am thoroughly intrigued. It looks like you have something really fascinating going on there.

+1 to that, tell us more CJ.

Tron · April 8, 2009

Albatros":3dui9y82]Thanks Narby for pointing that out again.

As you said, you're marking some "typical" lines of collapsing walls there.

I also do get your point and I do know that the typical line has to be the
guideline in most of the places in a map. But I don't think it's that much
of a contradiction to use bricks the way I do, taking your images as
example...

Seriously, I don't think this is leading anywhere.

P.S.: Basically, I can fix that one line, and it does need at least to have
that gap closed, that much I admit . But there's always a why, why *that*
particular set of bricks might have an additional support, and why *this*
wall-bit looks out of place... it's just a matter of spotting it, accepting it
as possible and leaving the rest to the author, as long as it's not totally
out of place. My opinion, but I'll stick with it for now.

Cheers,

Til

Those sections you have highlighted don't go against anything Narby said, he was emphasizing how the forces on a collapsing wall will depend on how it was taken down. Almost all the sections you have highlighted are where the wall has sheered away as a result of the weight from the other structural failures.

While you could made a technical case for exacting scenarios that would result in the arrangements you have used, they would be extremely unlikely and to many people it will make what you have there look un-natural. In such a beautiful scene that has some extremely realistic shapes it is a shame to shock the player out of the illusion by presenting them with an artificial looking form.

Albatros · April 8, 2009

Those sections you have highlighted don't go against anything Narby said, he was emphasizing how the forces on a collapsing wall will depend on how it was taken down. Almost all the sections you have highlighted are where the wall has sheered away as a result of the weight from the other structural failures.

While you could made a technical case for exacting scenarios that would result in the arrangements you have used, they would be extremely unlikely and to many people it will make what you have there look un-natural. In such a beautiful scene that has some extremely realistic shapes it is a shame to shock the player out of the illusion by presenting them with an artificial looking form.

Alright,

I guess keeping my position now would make me look rather stubborn :zoidberg:

As I said before, I'll gladly fill up the most "likely to collapse" parts of those bricks and then give you guys an update & see what happens. I still fail to see the shocking dimension of this brickwork though, and I - honestly - wouldn't have noticed it myself.

The idea behind placing those bricks was to keep a line of them next to the concrete beams / pillars, so they wouldn't look all "naked" - an idea I got from my ruins picture collection, once again.

But yeah, I'll just add some supporting elements/additional brickwork around the most fragile spots and maybe the problem will be solved then.

Cheers

Minos · April 8, 2009

Albatros · April 8, 2009

No new compile yet, just another screener.

hessi · April 8, 2009

that streetcar looks awesome. seems like warby and i spawned a new line of dod assets

DvS · April 8, 2009

Almost done with part 2 (of 3) of my single player project. Sending it out to beta testers this weekend, most likely. It feels good to nearly be done with it... until the testers point out how terrible it is and how I'll have to redo everything.

I want to know more ^^

If you need more testers I'm up for it.

mabufo · April 8, 2009

God damn. It's been too fucking long since I stepped foot in this thread. That was probably over 200 pages ago. hi guys.

I'll post some screens of the ancient shit fest that I'm working on probably sometime tomorrow. Cheers.

Campaignjunkie · April 8, 2009

Almost done with part 2 (of 3) of my single player project. Sending it out to beta testers this weekend, most likely. It feels good to nearly be done with it... until the testers point out how terrible it is and how I'll have to redo everything.
I want to know more ^^
If you need more testers I'm up for it.

DvS (and anyone else for that matter) - PM me your e-mail address if you want to test... well, with the intention of e-mailing me back some feedback using your keen sense of level design. (Though lately I've found sitting down random friends and watching them, aka the Valve method, is strangely compelling and also horrifying.)

Josch · April 8, 2009

Looks cool. But what about this:

Do you think this would worl in real world? No, dont worry, I`m just kidding

If I could`ve imagined what a discussion I started.... Whohoo :zoidberg:

Go on with your map as you want and like.

I trust your researches and I won`t complain any further unnecessary details

Bic-B@ll · April 9, 2009

i dont find the rubble nearly annoying as the fact that there are like 4 distinct different colors/textures to make up one exterior and they dont flow together at all. on top of that the narrow vertical pillars are perfectly fine while surrounded by carnage, they look very out of place.