Quantum Of Solace

[Thrik]

I don't know how anyone can take Casino Royale and say it isn't a great film in its own right; its quality as a film seems indisputable to me, with the critics backing that assertion up. I don't think many people will argue that Bond got totally ridiculous with the Pierce Brosnan films, but that's exactly what Casino Royale was meant to correct. Regardless of why many people went to see it (obviously tradition played a role), it is a good film.

And just to clarify because there is some confusion about this, Casino Royale was a reboot of the Bond franchise in the same way that Batman Begins was a reboot of the Batman franchise; it had a completely different tone to the Brosnan era, and had much more in common with the older films' class and overall atmosphere IMO. Try not to include it when saying something like "modern Bond movies", because that's pretty much on par with describing "modern Batman movies" and including Batman Forever.

[skdr]

What a great movie!

It felt somewhat different than Casino Royale but I enjoyed it very much. Some of the scenes like

the opera scene

were so well shot and written than it gave me chills.

Like I said, it was a bit different than Casino Royale but very well done Bond movie. Can't wait to see the next one.

Seen the movie? Let's discuss this:

Do you think this Quantum plot branch is going to continue in the next Bond movie or are we going to see Quantum as a background threat just like Spectre was in the previous films?

[Ginger Lord]

Definitely think the Quantum branch is the new Spectre, at the end Greene was killed by two shots to the back of the head suggesting someone had been sent to find and kill him. Obviously a much higher up player in the group.

Quantum is definitely the new Spectre and I expect them to keep them for the rest of the new Bonds. I loved the nod to Goldfinger with Fields covered in oil (black gold!).

[Steppenwolf]

I don't know how anyone can take Casino Royale and say it isn't a great film in its own right; its quality as a film seems indisputable to me, with the critics backing that assertion up. I don't think many people will argue that Bond got totally ridiculous with the Pierce Brosnan films, but that's exactly what Casino Royale was meant to correct. Regardless of why many people went to see it (obviously tradition played a role), it is a good film.

And just to clarify because there is some confusion about this, Casino Royale was a reboot of the Bond franchise in the same way that Batman Begins was a reboot of the Batman franchise; it had a completely different tone to the Brosnan era, and had much more in common with the older films' class and overall atmosphere IMO. Try not to include it when saying something like "modern Bond movies", because that's pretty much on par with describing "modern Batman movies" and including Batman Forever.

No Casino Royale is not much better then the Brosnan Bonds. Personaly i felt that when Bond reanimated his own heart in Casino Royale was one of the lowest points in the whole Bond franchise. Even Brosnan Bond firing a soviet tank while he drives it wasn't as ridiculous.

[dux]

Octopussy. You can't beat it man.

It's not my favourite bond film. But damn, you gotta love the name there haha.

[Thrik]

No Casino Royale is not much better then the Brosnan Bonds. Personaly i felt that when Bond reanimated his own heart in Casino Royale was one of the lowest points in the whole Bond franchise. Even Brosnan Bond firing a soviet tank while he drives it wasn't as ridiculous.

While the realism of the self-defibrillation is arguable, it's not like stretching the limits of technology and such is exactly something new to the Bond series. To say it's one of the lowest points in the whole franchise seems absolutely ludicrous, especially considering the stuff we've seen in the Brosnan films (invisible car that also makes stuff behind it invisible) and the classics (MOONRAKER). I thought the whole scene leading up to and including the defibrillation was good and great drama.

I'm going to reiterate that IMO Casino Royale was better than most of the Brosnan films, although I continue to think GoldenEye and Tomorrow Never Dies were great films. If you disagree, well fair enough — I don't mind if you're part of that minority.

[Ginger Lord]

No Casino Royale is not much better then the Brosnan Bonds. Personaly i felt that when Bond reanimated his own heart in Casino Royale was one of the lowest points in the whole Bond franchise. Even Brosnan Bond firing a soviet tank while he drives it wasn't as ridiculous.

Self-Defibriliation isnt a ridiculous thing at all, have you any clue on what Pacemakers these days are capable of? The step from having one implanted inside the body auto-detecting heart problems to having an attachable one isnt very large.

Saying Casino Royale is not much better than, for example Die Another Day, is absolutely ludicrous. Your allowed to have your own opinion but its a quite ridiculous one that I don't think I've ever come across, or know anyone that has vaguely the same opinion. Sure I know plenty of people that don't like Casino Royale, but they all agree its a much better film than the latter half of the Brosnan era which was downright awful.

[Steppenwolf]

Whatever. No reason to go in angry fanboy mode...

I basicly base my opinion on the fact that i dont remember much from all of the movies. They were all quite forgettable experiences to me so i dont see why i should rate one above the other.

I know that the last two Bonds are a big thing for you brits because the main actor is british so dont mind me and just enjoy the movies.

[-HP-]

lol, that makes me think about something, "realism". If you ask someone who don't like James Bond movies, why in the world they hate it so much, the answer will prolly be: "the stunts on the move are impossible, there's not a single bit of realism into it!" ... No fucking way?! that's the whole point, and 007 movie directors know that, they grab a small piece of "realism" and push it to the limits until it's fun to watch!

Cos that's the whole point of watching a movie, pretty much like games, having a good time and having fun!

[ctswin]

I know that the last two Bonds are a big thing for you brits because the main actor is british so dont mind me and just enjoy the movies.

wow

[PogoP]

I know that the last two Bonds are a big thing for you brits because the main actor is british so dont mind me and just enjoy the movies.

Not forgetting the other 19 Bond films that had British actors playing Bond. :wink:

[Steppenwolf]

My bad. Replace britain with english then and it makes more sense.

I'm sure you guys are experts in german geography too.

[Ginger Lord]

My bad. Replace britain with english then and it makes more sense.

Still leaves all the Moore,Dalton and Craig films German geography is easier because you simply have one country, not a collection of countries under various names.

But thats besides the point.

Anyone else seen the film? I saw some review in a paper over here gave it 1/5

[Steppenwolf]

German geography is easier because you simply have one country, not a collection of countries under various names.

Actualy thats not true. Germany is a federation made of a shitload of former souvereign states and kingdoms. 1870/71 was the first time in german history that the german tribes got unified to one big country. Only Austria who lost the german war against prussia decided to stay away. Look at the mess it was before:

These are the german states of today:

Imagine each would have its own national team like the britains...

Bet you didnt expect to learn something about german history in a James Bond thread

[-HP-]

Bet you didnt expect to learn something about german history in a James Bond thread

Indeed, thanks man!