The Postman

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No RD, what I'm saying is "do what you will, wear what you'll wear, but accept the consequences of your actions." It absolves neither party but it recognizes the cause/effect of what goes on. Right. Someone has little to no knowledge about what got the middle east to where it is today. That person is you.

You missed the point. Completely. D&D = debate & discussion. No one ever said your speech should be curtailed to satisfy any culture, but you should probably step up to the plate and accept responsibility for your actions if they garner negative results. Understanding and dealing with a situation does not = being oppressed. This thread is about an ammendment proposed to ban flag burning. Are you retarded?

Oh I get it, you switched my name in there! Haha! Haha! No, it doesn't work like that. If you wear something with the explicit intention of pissing someone off you can't be surprised if it pisses someone off, and while they aren't fully justified in the ass-beating you'll receive, it's something that will more than likely happen. Does it make it right? No. Does it still happen? Yes. Does that mean that one should accept responsibility for one's own actions in the face of such recourse? Yes. Any time I show one of my friends from SA's D&D this forums and your guys' posts they cringe and shudder and ask me how I can manage to stay sane. Yeah, it's been debated here before and it was retarded. You missed the point. Re-read the post.

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Yay! It's hand puppets time again. You've never understood where I've come from with that, I think. Government shouldn't do certain things because it effects the entire nation unjustly. If a governmental body burns another country's flag that's a show of official aggression. It's not illegal, but that country shouldn't be surprised if the nation in question reacts harshly. If the citizens of that same country burn that flag it's a bunch of hot-heads spouting off. If citizens burn the flag of their own nation, likewise it's just a bunch of hot-heads spouting off. If the government burns its own flag it's just being odd and should be inspected for the UFOs that you talk about all the time. If a governmental body burns any religious object as a show of aggression that's just asking for trouble within and without. It's not illegal, but it does invite a whole host of shit down on the country in question, its stations overseas, and its citizens abroad. Such actions should not be taken lightly since they effect the lives of so many. If the citizens of the same country burn a religious object it's a bunch of hot-heads spouting off and probably doesn't amount to a hill of beans unless the country they're in condones it or doesn't actively see that such actions don't avalanche into rioting. If citizens of that religion burn their own objects they're just weird. Yeah, if I wear a "FUCK [url=http://www.mapcore.org/content/rules-and-guidelines]read the rules[/url]S" shirt in Harlem it's not my fault for choosing to wear the shirt, it's those unruly hoodlums' fault for beating the living shit out of me. Great logic. Avoiding responsibility for one's own actions is a great way to go about things. Why, I shouldn't be beheld to any laws because it's not my fault I did anything, it's simply the State's fault for getting upset that I did! They need to get over it. That being said, this is an argument for a different (and undoubtedly very dumb) thread.

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What have I suggested banning? Please point this out.

I'm the one that didn't want the flag burning ammendment to pass and who thinks that burning the Koran is an abomination. You lose, RD.

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I have, repeatedly. You lose, RD.

Re-read your own thread. It's there, repeatedly in size 12 arial font type. Lay off the rolleyes guy, he's getting a headache from your abuses.

"Wah, and if you don't like it I'll take my ball and go home!" Great tactic. What. :roll: My concern in this argument is for the ammendment proposed in my country and my argument with you has been that you're injecting bullshit into an argument where it has no place. This is after you say "My thread, my rules!" after your first post has... oh hey, nothing to do with the Koran and only with the now-dead ammendment. You lose, RD. I have. Repeatedly. You just don't care to use logic in your posts.

Yes. Because this was an American ammendment dealing with the American flag. We ARE allowed to burn symbols on our country. However the government should not do it. What the fuck are you on about? This would matter or make sense if American was a race or if I was trying to ban Islam because of brown-skinned folks. But American isn't a race and I'm not talking about Islam, you are, incessantly. For no reason. Again, what the fuck are you on about? So far you've dragged out how your country fucked up with cartoons and how you really don't like Muslim folks but you haven't given one good reason why the United States should ban flag burning. And now...racism? What the hell? Religion is not race and flags are not race. Furthermore and most importantly this has nothing to do with Denmark, cartoons, Islam or anything you're babbling about. At all.

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My ad homs have weight because you are a moron, RD. Through and through. This isn't an argument of world-wide freedom of speech. This is an argument of free-speech in the US. Nothing more. Strictly within that ballpark and you're injecting your usual omg-muslims crap into the conversation for no reason with no bearing. There is no logical fallacy here. There is only you trying to inject something into a conversation where it has no place.

Oh fuck you and your "prison" bullshit. You think UFOs carry religious scrolls or some stupid shit. If anything you need medication. Heavy medication. Anyhow on to your drivel: My argument this entire time has been over your attempted correlation between burning a Koran or some meandering anecdote about the Islamic cartoons and an ammendment that effects just the US and deals with a US symbol only. It has no bearing on anything outside the US. If someone in Tikrit torches an American flag we cannot arrest him/her because of the action (if this ammendment had gone through and all). However if someone from our government torched a Koran it looks incredibly bad for our foreign PR but it's also seen as a direct conflict with our very own Muslim citizens. Now what is your argument against flag burning. Just flag burning. No UFOs, no Korans, no woe-is-Denmark. Just flag-burning. Exactly. My point on allowing flag burning. It was just political cock-waving at this stage.

No. Not at all. My point is that one is national the other is not. The flag burning ammendment only effects people in the US. The burning of a Koran or some-such other symbol effects more than just any one nation. Then again my point this entire retarded conversation has been that you're injecting bullshit into an argument where it simply does not have any bearing at all. It still has no bearing and will never have any bearing.

The whole ammendment was basically just cock-waving by the neo-con Republicans in America going LOOK AT US PROTECTING THE FLAG FROM COMMUNAZIATHEISTS!

No, I'm answering exactly what you've asked. Repeatedly, emphatically. What's national matters to a nation. I've said this repeatedly. Burning or destroying a religious symbol anywhere invokes strong response ANYWHERE in the world. You can do so in America, but it does nothing to help the scenario elsewhere in the world. The GOVERNMENT cannot do it because it is a direct attack on the religious values and rights of her citizens. The CITIZENS can (unless it's a burning cross because that has racist connotations) and it just looks as moronic as some jackass torching a flag.

This is about a law in the US on US soil dealing with a US symbol. It is more important here than anywhere else because it deals with the US. The religious symbol is NOT a national symbol and its importance can be felt anywhere there are followers of that religion. Goddamn man, do I need to draw diagrams with stick figures?

Postman Wins!

Context, RD, context.