The Postman

The latest Tony Hawk game is just awful with branding. Not to mention it's fucking broken as all hell and the clipping in it is so miserable that in some maps you can fall out of the world in numerous spots, or get stuck in a ludicrous amount of areas.

I typoed. At least I'm not writing "people" as "PPL" or "In my opinion" as "IMO." :roll: Yeah, they sure drew Muhammed as a happy little fellow! Totally true, RD! Since no one seems to be able to actually have an argument or a conversation in this thread without trolling with pictures or calling each other names I'm closing the thread. Yay!

Seeing as I have no power to ban, that's not really an option. You can go ahead and post, all I request is intelligent arguments and constructive criticisms. Not trolling pictures or posts.

lol this is lame, i think i know who censored the islamic pics of mohamed that i posted before. Well this seems obviously not to be the right place to discuss stuff. Im back to eot. CU! You posted a series of pics that had nothing to do with the argument. You weren't answering arguments with anything constructive and you were mindlessly trolling with those pictures. I deleted your posts for those reasons and RD knows full well that I've been on his ass about posting like a 9 year old playing CS for a while now. You can go ahead and post here, but there are rules.

Have any of you seen what Axis camo from that era looked like? He's pretty spot-on.

Suit yourselves. I just find it better to argue specific points when there aren't tangents that don't exactly deal directly with the main point.

I suggest you make a thread on fundamentalism in general if you'd like to pursue this further. You're getting this entire thread off-topic enough as it is.

Read, comprehend, post. I was saying that the blame for the state of fundamentalism in the Middle East rests solely on the shoulders of their governments and how wound up they are with the state-fostered religion. There is a need to apologize (which has already happened, but it should've happened sooner) because the west should be above letting a cartoon by one country's newspapers disintegrate international relations by antagonizing them further and then acting self-righteous about it. My point is this: The Islamic states have a right to be insulted, disgusted and angered at this cartoon. You seem to think they're over-reacting because of their own screwed up world view. Those two things don't even correlate. They have a screwed up world view because they're so fundamentalist about their religion. Antagonizing that and then expecting them to act rationally and not realize any sort of hypocrisy is just fucking blind. I'd like to ask why you're not addressing any of the other points I made previously that go against many of your arguments with fairly clear logic. "blaim" and others throughout this and other threads. racial and religious differences were fostered during European colonialism!

Now you are shoving the blaim to the dictatorship. Which doesnt matter, its the same problem. You just keep finding excuses, "its just a minority of extremists, its just the government". So what, its still a problem. Its not racist to adress it First off: http://www.dictionary.com Secondly, the blame is on the dictatorship. It's their fault for how their nation's react and how they foster such sentiment. I'm not finding excuses. Unlike you I'm using reasoning to figure out what's the matter before I start jerking my knee. You're reaching here and making no point. What the hell are you even trying to say here?

Hahahhahahahahahhahahahahaha...hmm. That's the difficult thing these days. I'm lucky. My company doesn't treat me like shit. Certain publishers though, offer no guarantees.

Yeah, two countries hate each other now because of an insult slung by the first. Does this excuse the actions? No. Does it explain them? Yes. converts to Christianity are sentenced to death. And no Posty, this isnt a tiny group of extremists. Yes it is. What you're saying is tantamount to saying that any citizen of the United States is, by extension, personally responsible, and personally carries out its laws. Your point is moot. You're attempting an emotional appeal instead of arguing the points reasonably. You're also going off on a tangent that has nothing to do with the topic of discussion. Do the cartoons that were drawn inspire disgust and anger in anyone of Islamic faith? Yes. Does free speech protect such drawings? Yes. Does free speech keep people from being insulted, angered or disgusted by such drawings? No. Does lowering one's self to the level of antagonism and bigotry of the Fundamentalist Islamic states make us better than them? No. Does deliberately antagonizing the Fundamentalist Islamic states do anything to secure peace or foster understanding between the two cultures? No. Are the European states deliberately antagonizing the Fundamentalist Islamic states by reprinting these cartoons after the facr? Yes. Is that helping? No. That's the nuts and bolts of it. Go post some more pictures, though.

No, actually that's just a closed state with a fundamentalist power. If you want, call it a Fundamentalist state. There isn't anything fascist in what you've just described other than perhaps nationalism, but that's so intertwined with religion over there that it's not wholly here nor there. Stalinist states did have certain aspects of fascism but to be perfectly honest the only real fascist state ever was Italy during WW2. National Socialism differs because of its economic policy and several other factors. Oh man, you're telling me I don't know anything about NS? Himmler was crazy with the germanic myths and all that weird shit. Hitler tolerated his nuttiness so long as it never opposed his regime. Oddly enough Himmler actually tried to seek peace with the World Jewish Council near the end of the war and Hitler fired him for it, not that it really mattered, they were all pretty much out of a job at that point. The point is that it was never taken seriously at all, ever. The Islamics hate Jews because of religious reasons. The Nazis hated Jews for racial and perceived economic reasons. THEORY DESTROYED. :monocle:

By likening yourself with the movement of globalization and saying that you personally had nothing to do with anything about it nor did you kill anyone in the name of it you essentially made the argument that in the Islamic states everyone is a killer, has killed and will kill again. That's simply incorrect. Seeing as Islamofascism is a fucking made-up word by the Bush administration and has nothing to do with fascism you're absolutely right, it's not fascism. However, it's not fascism at all. Fascism is where the state is the religion, corporatism is the economic structure and most fascist states are secular. Besides their mutual loathing of Jews (although arguably for completely different reasons) they have little in common. The National Socialist Worker's Party rose to power on the weakness of an economically crippled state after the Treaty of Versailles. Theirs was a mixed form of corporatism and state-run industr. It modernized, secularized and also institutionalized it's party philosophy of racial hatred in the form of uniformed troops and community activities. The Islamic states want only Sharia (Islamic law) instated in their states. They have no economic philosophy that binds them. They're certainly not modernizing, secularizing or putting their troops in snappy new uniforms. They don't have any sort of community outing "volks" style camps or sporting activities (unless you count soccer, but even there they have no unified structure and play against each other with the same fervor). They're not the same. What-so-ever. Raising Nazis is, was, and always will be the argumentative tactic of the weak unless the compared group is actually waving red, white and black swaztika banners and goosestepping to Wagner.

Your average Islamic person, even in an Islamic state doesn't kill people in the name of Allah either. I was pointing out the short-sightedness of your statement. Someone doesn't know what fascism is. :monocle: Hooray! Godwin's Law! You raised Nazis in an emotional appeal with no real use to the argument.

And we kill people in the name of globalization and economic resources like oil under the guise of "spreading liberty." Killing in any case is fucking ridiculous unless there's a very good reason for it. Religion and profits aren't good reasons. We're getting off on a tangent of "who's at fault?" No one is. It's much ado about nothing. If anything this should've gone as far as a simple, polite, hollow apology from the newspaper or at most, the country and that's that. Everything's settled. No one loses face and it drops out of the headlines.

My apologies to you for confronting fanatacism with your very own brand of it.

That's the problem. It's short term "successes" and sales that publishers are going for, not long-term communities or staying power. I suppose one could make an argument for either end, but I'd really like to see a community like those fostered by today's MMOs or yesterday's HL1 mod scene. There's a reason why that worked and it's a reason that's largely ignored by developers today. I didn't play Farcry because it looked boring and like nothing new. My opinion is perfectly valid because I was turned off from the game by what it was, what it was marketed as, and what it appeared to be. And nowadays it's largely forgotten, let's not split hairs here. I'm not trying to gang-up on or diss the makers of Farcry. A lot of these decisions are pushed by publishers. They know what sells games, but not what makes them fun. Getting a game into the player's mitts is one thing, but making them love that game is another. Doom 3 had the same problem in that it sold well initially but then faltered under its own weight. It had no multiplayer and although it was ridiculously easy to mod for (well...the level design tool blew, but oh well...modelling was easy) it was largely rejected and got little to no community following. The inability to foster community staying power and the lack of original ideas in the PC gaming market are two major forces slowly driving nails into PC gaming's coffin.

Okay Klein, if it turns out different than I predicted here I owe you a Coke. I'll mail it to you or send you a Coca Cola gift card for one (1) Coke. I didn't play Farcry, mostly because it didn't appeal to me. Largely for the same reasons a lot of next-gen games don't appeal to me. There's no real heart there, no story, no anima. You're playing tough guy with a large amount of guns. You're tackling an array of forgettable enemies that are little more than sacks of hitpoints (I don't care how much publishers tout advanced AI, that's usually a bunch of bologne). You're a sack of hitpoints with no real reason to do anything other than perhaps a door's locked or a guy with a gun is blocking the stairs. You're in a world that's artistically un-interesting. The armor looks the same as other games, the guns look the same as other games, the loadout of weapons is the same as other games, the level progression is similiar to other games, etc etc etc. Story and player involvement in a rich (and I mean really rich, not publisher bullet point rich) world environment get pushed to the backburner in favor of graphical enhancements and pretty rendered screenshots. Then again, there was HL2 and that's a next-gen title that I enjoyed immensely as a single-player experience. I think it's a fantastic example of how to do next-gen right.

And them being assholes makes it okay! Cool, I love your logic! *thumbs up*

Yeah, and Jim Morrison was pretty much drunk or high during most of his musical career. Truth in media, folks!

Hahaha, I didn't like (and still don't like) Doom3's artistic direction nor Id's push on graphical quality over gameplay. Your words mean nothing! Good that we are on the same page then Yay, all peaceful like

Hahaha, I didn't like (and still don't like) Doom3's artistic direction nor Id's push on graphical quality over gameplay. Your words mean nothing!

I'd actually see that. Is he playing with Reese Witherspoon?

I enjoyed Walk the Line, but copying the premise of Ray shouldn't get you awards. Dude, they had a duet of "Time's a Wastin'" that was just fucking phenomenal. I thought Phoenix did an amazing job copying Cash's singing and movements on stage. It was almost creepy how well he did it.

It's the first game that uses "DX10" and shader model 4 Looks awesome! God that looks so mediocre. Looks like someone re-hashed Far-Cry and shat this out. Boring character, re-hashed setting, forced use of current political figures for no reason. Barf. I wouldn't play this game. Another case of graphics taking the place of real gameplay. Fuck graphics-card bundle FPS games, they're killing the PC game industry.