totally agree, rendering clouds and clicking to add trees isnt exacly mapping, i have much more repsect for people who take time to make maps even though the rendering clounds na dlcikcing to add trees can look a lot bettter some times, you put so much more work into a bsp map not only to get it to look good, but to work alone and sometimes these maps on a 5 year old engine look way better than the newer engines and those people get muy props~